Rate Margarito's Performance Against Cotto

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  1. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    They were good examples too. I agree with what you said. Had Margarito walked in like that on a serious puncher he would have sustained irreperable damage. Regardless of how good your chin is, allowing someone to beat on your skull like that is never a good strategy, and clearly indicates how little imagination Margarito was using. He must have really meant it when he said Cotto wasn't a big hitter, because he was walking through those shots like they were spitballs. Margarito has been knocked down and stunned before. He's human, I don't think people get it.
     
  2. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    No question.
     
  3. bill poster

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    B+
    In this case styles make fights.
     
  4. RealIzm

    RealIzm Boxing Junkie banned

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    :lol: :lol: :rofl
     
  5. Scar

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    A+ performance of course, that's based on Margarito's actual style and ability, NOT styles in general or boxing ability/skill in general. When it comes to what Margarito has to offer he brought his A game that night, perfect stamina and ability to take a punch shown there and applied his way of aggression the best he could.

    A+
     
  6. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    I don't know, Scar, I think Margarito is a much better fighter than that. I can understand he overwhelmed people who picked Cotto. People who thought he was utter garbage in terms of technical ability and talent - that's probably why we're getting results like this, but that wasn't at all the best Margarito could do. Margarito is capable of fighting like a whirlwind, or tornado ;) , and collapsing on an opponent with devastating fury. Cotto isn't the fastest, most mobile guy in the world, and he's not the most durable. Margarito could have had him out of there so fast it would have made you guys **** your pants. Margarito was lumbering after Cotto like a mummy. That's probably the worst I've ever seen him. He was better in the Williams fight, FFS. People are just trippin on the "he beat Cotto" angle or some ****.. An A+ performance and A+ results must be getting blended here, because to me they ain't at all the same thing.
     
  7. san rafael

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    In between rounds Capetillo was ****ing laying into Margarito. "You're waiting too much! You're waiting too much, with your mouth open!! C'mon! Don't wait! What's wrong?? You're throwing one punch at a time!!"

    A+? A+??? Whoa... A+ is like Hopkins against Trinidad. Vargas against Quartey. Hopkins against Tarver.
     
  8. Scar

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    I rated it A+ in terms of what he can apply against a fighter like Cotto, if it was a different opponent with a different style then the rating would definitely be different. Margarito's style is obvious and when he applies what he's expected to(which is very obvious) then you know he's performing as he wants to and well enough to land his punches. Cotto's speed is underrated, he's very fast yet he lacks movement and stamina to carry that for full 12 rounds where he's FORCED(based on Margarito's style and ability) to use it and A LOT in every single round. As I said his style is very obvious and when he's able to apply it then you can't help but rate his performance high, against Williams he was fighting a guy with a different style who had reach/height advantage. Williams was able to throw/land then hold and not allow Margarito to position his self to fire back, he used his size to his advantage therefore making Margarito looking horrible early yet shining late after Paul slightly slowed down from the punches he was landing, still Margarito wasn't able to apply his pressure well enough to do what he did against Cotto. His performance against Williams was excellent as well but what he is able to offer was proven to be not enough to beat someone like Williams yet it was good enough to beat someone like Cotto. It can be complicated yet it relates a lot to the opponent he's fighting, as Margarito said when he fought Cotto, right after the first round he knew this fight was his because as he went out in the first round and saw that Cotto's punches weren't affecting him at all he knew that this fight is in the bag, he didn't say the same against Williams though he proved he can take his punches too simply because of the difference in Williams' style and Cotto's.
     
  9. Scar

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    That has a lot to do with what Williams was doing in there than Margarito to be honest. I see people coming here literally saying that Margarito gave that fight to Williams as a gift on a silver plate by not doing enough early on purpose. You think he didn't do enough on purpose?, that's pure bull****, he didn't do enough because Williams didn't give him a chance to do enough. As Williams slightly slowed down from what he was doing in there Margarito started to shine, it's a case of activity and Margarito has a lot of it that's why he usually shines late.
     
  10. Scar

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    That's exactly what I said when I rated it A+. Based on Hopkins' style he applied his style of fighting in A+ fashion against Trinidad as he did against Tarver, same goes for Vargas vs Quartey. Margarito applied his style of fighting and his ability A+ against Cotto by showing his true aggression at it's very best, ability to take a punch and insane stamina. That's what he has and when he shows it 100% you got to rate his performance BASED ON WHAT HE HAS TO OFFER(boxing ability) A+.
     
  11. PH|LLA

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    It was a great preformance

    not the most skill but absolutely out of this world stamina and chin.

    he was still jogging towards Cotto in the 11th ffs
     
  12. psychopath

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    I'll rate it as A+ . . . that's a concrete example of what is a great win. A very good performance against a very good opponent.
     
  13. san rafael

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    This can be about Cotto, and it can have nothing to do with Cotto. It's not like Cotto was neutralizing Margarito or doing anything to prevent Margarito from making choices or dictating the action or the pace of the contest. Cotto forfeited all that automatically by backpeddling. Margarito fought so poorly, Cotto would have won that fight if he wasn't foolish enough to continiously trap himself in the corner and along the ropes, and allow Margarito to land heavy combinations. Cotto would hit Margarito with a combo and stop, and then let Margarito take his turn. Cotto practically handed Margarito this fight.
     
  14. san rafael

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    Different concept I guess. These guys aren't robots or RPG characters with set attacks. They're human beings with good nights and bad nights, good performances and bad performances. Despite what you think Margarito doesn't just go mummy in every situation.
     
  15. san rafael

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    Yes, Williams was all over Margarito, dictating, giving him no options. Cotto unlocked all the windows and doors and let Margarito walk right in. Margarito looked like an amateur through most of the Cotto fight. I don't know how else to say it.