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Rate Mike Tyson with another resume

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by GOAT Primo Carnera, Mar 15, 2018.



  1. GOAT Primo Carnera

    GOAT Primo Carnera Active Member Full Member

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    I did a resume transformation for Mike Tyson replacing the exact resume of another fighter with Tysons opponents. I excluded that fighters opponents and included Tysons in non chronological order. Can you guess who that fighter is?
    How would you rate this Mike Tyson in therms of H2H, Knockout Artist, and Resume?

    He started at the same age (18) in 1985, the relevant dates are marked. Until 88, he did fight the same boxers as he really did (excluding Willie Driver, take him in his prime), after 1991 I had to add other journeyman to transform it as equal as I could (No Tyson opponents). From 1995 on, the entered journeyman are not at their actual peak dates, so you can take any of them in their prime years (80s). The relevant time frame for this new resume is until 1991 anyway, so don´t let yourself get confused from the fight dates after 1995.


    54 Win 50–4 Ken Lakusta RTD 9 (10) (2005)
    53 Loss 49-4
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    KO 9 (12) For vacant
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    52 Win 49–3 Tim Anderson KO 3 (10)
    51 Win 48–3 Jimmy Ellis TKO 7 (10)
    50 Win 47–3 Everett Martin UD 10 (10)
    49 Win 46–3
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    KO 2 (10)
    48 Win 45–3
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    KO 3 (10)
    47 Win 44–3 Ladislao Mijangos KO 2 (10)
    46 Win 43–3 Manoel De Almeida TKO 3 (10)
    45 Win 42–3 Guido Trane TKO 7 (10)
    44 Win 41–3 Tom Trimm RTD 7 (10)
    43 Win 40–3
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    TKO 4 (10)
    42 Win 39–3 Bobby Hitz TKO 6 (10)
    41 Win 38–3 Terry Anderson KO 1 (10)
    40 Win 37–3 Carlos Hernández KO 3 (10)
    39 Win 36–3 Frank Lux KO 7 (10) (1995)
    38 Loss 35-3 Lennox Lewis KO 1 (15) (1991) For WBC, The Ring, and world heavyweight titles
    37 Loss 35-2 Lennox Lewis RTD 6 (15) (1990) Lost WBC, The Ring, and world heavyweight titles
    36 Win 35–1
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    KO 1 (12) (1989) Retained The Ring and world heavyweight titles; Won vacant
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    35 Win 34–1
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    KO 1 (12) (1988) Won
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    34 Win 33-1 Willie Driver KO 1 (10)
    33 Win 32–1 Jesse Ferguson TKO 3 (10)
    32 Win 31–1
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    UD 12 (12)
    31 Win 30–1 José Ribalta KO 3 (12)
    30 Win 29–1
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    TKO 1 (10)
    29 Win 28–1 Carl Williams TKO 2 (10)
    28 Win 27–1 Jesse Ferguson RTD 7 (10)
    27 Win 26–1 Lorenzo Boyd RTD 6 (10)
    26 Win 25–1 Reggie Gross KO 3 (10)
    25 Win 24–1 Carl Williams TKO 3 (10)
    24 Win 23–1 William Hosea TKO 6 (10)
    23 Win 22–1 Lorenzo Canady RTD 7 (10)
    22 Win 21-1 James Tillis UD 10 (10)
    21 Win 20–1
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    KO 1 (10)
    20 Win 19–1 Steve Zouski TKO 3 (10)
    19 Win 18–1 Mike Jameson RTD 2 (10)
    18 Win 17-1 James Tillis PTS 10 (10)
    17 Win 16–1 Mark Young TKO 4 (10)
    16 Win 15–1 Sammy Scaff TKO 2 (6)
    15 Win 14–1 Michael Johnson UD 10 (10)
    14 Win 13–1 Conroy Nelson TKO 4 (10)
    13 Win 12–1 Eddie Richardson KO 6 (10)
    12 Win 11–1 Sterling Benjamin TKO 2 (8)
    11 Win 10–1 Robert Colay TKO 5 (8)
    10 Win 9–1 Michael Johnson TKO 6 (8)
    9 Win 8–1 Donnie Long PTS 8 (8)
    8 Loss 7–1 Michael Johnson SD 8 (8)
    7 Win 7–0 Larry Sims SD 8 (8)
    6 Win 6–0 Larry Sims UD 8 (8)
    5 Win 5–0 John Alderson PTS 6 (6)
    4 Win 4–0 Ricardo Spain TKO 6 (6)
    3 Win 3–0 Don Halpin SD 6 (6)
    2 Win 2–0 Trent Singleton PTS 4 (4)
    1 Win 1–0 Hector Mercedes TKO 1 (4) (1985)
     
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  2. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie booted Full Member

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    I don't have a clue whatsover what you're talking about here....

    I know George Foreman fought many of the same opponents but you've lost me here.
     
  3. GOAT Primo Carnera

    GOAT Primo Carnera Active Member Full Member

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    Your are correct, the fighters 1995 onwards are Foreman victims. You could take other fighters from the 80s/90s here, its not relevant. Don´t focus on the fighters after Lewis, focus on the fighters before including Spinks.
    I did took the Wins or Losses at the respective order and the exacts rounds, exact KO, TKO, UD etc. of a Fighter XY and then replaced the actual opponents with the most equivalent opponents Mike Tyson fought.

    For example Joe Frazier fought:

    24 Win 24–0
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    RTD 7 (15)
    23 Win 23–0 Dave Zyglewicz KO 1 (15)
    22 Win 22–0
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    UD 15 Dec 10
    21 Win 21–0
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    TKO 2 (15)
    20 Win 20–0
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    TKO 11 (15) Won vacant
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    So a transformation for Tyson in that time frame, with the most equal title defenses could be:

    24 Win 24–0 Larry Holmes RTD 7 (15)
    23 Win 23–0 Tony Tubbs KO 1 (15)
    22 Win 22–0 James Smith UD 15 (15)
    21 Win 21–0 Pinklon Thomas TKO 2 (15)
    20 Win 20–0 Trevor Berbick TKO 11 (15) Won vacant
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    I took the "frame" of a fighter you have to guess and replaced his opposition, so that every opponent should be maximum equal (H2H at that time). Of course the opponents Tyson fought are not in chronological orders, you have to change them to fit the Frame and fit the most equal opponent.

    I hope there is not to much confusion here: Guess which Boxers frame I took here.

    If Tysons resume looked like that, how would you rate him?
     
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  4. Fergy

    Fergy Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's interesting ..but I'm not sure I've got the gist of it yet .
     
  5. GOAT Primo Carnera

    GOAT Primo Carnera Active Member Full Member

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    Its pretty easy, you cannot see the wood from the trees :>

    1) Check the list
    2) Exclude all fighters
    3) Who got that exact wins and losses at the respective order?
    4) Try to fit in the resume of another fighter with his opponents (1995 onwords opponents are random here)
    5) Evaluate the resumes of both fighters
     
  6. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie booted Full Member

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    I'm still lost here hahahaha.
     
  7. ForemanJab

    ForemanJab Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The guy in your av isn't Primo Carnera.
     
  8. Fergy

    Fergy Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Bloody heck ..I've just noticed that !Its jaw's innit ?
     
  9. Fergy

    Fergy Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm determined to crack it:confundio:
     
  10. GOAT Primo Carnera

    GOAT Primo Carnera Active Member Full Member

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    Anyway, if Mike Tysons resume was like that 50 wins and 4 losses, how would you rate him?
     
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  11. ForemanJab

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    yes
     
  12. Fergy

    Fergy Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well if it was Tyson s resume he wouldn't be holding the belt long. Is that correct?, he beats spinks then loses to Lewis ,have I got it right?
     
  13. Fergy

    Fergy Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'd say pretty average really resume .looks good beating spinks but then loses to Lewis soon after. Similar in some ways though to Liston s title reign.
     
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  14. GOAT Primo Carnera

    GOAT Primo Carnera Active Member Full Member

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    Sure, just watch the resume. He streamrolled Spinks again, then lost to a young hungry Lewis. After that, he went to jail and came back in 95. Fought some journeyman and could not catch up to his former achievements, didn´t win the title back.
     
  15. Fergy

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    Yes ,and similar to Liston , stops Floyd twice then loses to Ali twice ,never challenged again.
     
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