Rate Roberto Durans Resume

B+
No

 

His opponents were A+ you don't get better than Benitez,Hearns,Leonard,Hagler, Cuevas..

His wins for his resume was B+ or A- Take into consideration that any top 50 ATG will have B+ or A-. A top 10 ATG or top 15 should have A+

How can a victor over someone be that great if he lost easily in the rematch, and the guy he fought while great, was at the beginning of his reign and not yet the prime champion he would become. Was Leonard really great already when Duran beat him??????

 

Fought:
Leonard
Hagler
Hearns
Benitez
Palomino
Cuevas
Buchannan
DeJesus
Viruet -

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Marcel

His resume is as good as it gets.
A+

 

Even before he became a mainstream superstar his resume was a 'who's who' of the Lightweight and Welterweight division. When you add the magic of Leonard, Hearns, Benitez and then Hagler it took Duran's resume to comparable with anyone.

His victory over Leonard compares with anything anyone achieved in one fight. Whether it is absolutely the greatest single victory, is subjecting a subjective question to a ridiculous level of subjectivness.

 

Are you saying that Miguel Cotto isn't better than Edwin Viruet?

 

I do not believe the best Cotto is greater than best DeJesus.

Cotto the Mayweather fought falls somewhere inbetween Cotto and Viruet. De La Hoya was way past his best and I think he would have trouble Cuevas and Palomino that Duran fought. Everyone else on Mayweathers resume never gets anywhere near Benitez, nevermind Hearns, Leonard, Hagler, and Leonard.

BTW, the titles that Cotto has won do not impress me at all. I am more concerned with who you beat and how you beat them rather beating some 38 year old man who had not been in the ring in a year. He did what he had to do but I remember him getting a gift over Mosley, going to war with Judah, getting almost put away by Corley, getting beat up by Pacquaio, and being outpointed by Mayweather.

Cotto is good/great for this generation but, this generation has lower standards. Going back to the 70's he would have been just a chinny condenter with a slow hands and little pop in his gloves.

 

There is an irony here:

If Cotto was around in the 70s rather than today, I dare say he would have held a Jimmy Young like fascination on this forum about how 40 years on he is so underrated.

The irony being most would say he is probably better than anyone Lil Floyd has fought.

 

Interesting.

I am not that familiar with Jimmy Young. Please explain if you could.

As far as who Floyd has fought is posible that Cotto is his best opponent on paper. Honestly, Cotto's resume destroys Floyds.

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Pacquaio
Mayweather
Mosley
Margarito x2
Judah
Malignaggi

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De La Hoya
Mosley
Corrales
Cotto
Maidana
Castillio

Cotto fighting Mayweather himself and Pacquaio and Margarito and the version of Mosley he fought completely outweighs Floyd's undefeated record. Pacquaio alone trumps about half of Floyds best wins because he KO'ed or beat on DLH, Hatton, and Marquez. He also beat Margarito who floyd ducked and Cotto split a pair of fights with.

Even if I am overstation things their record are still comparible and I give the edge to Cotto because he had the heart to fight the guys that Floyd ducked.

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Leonard
Hagler
Hearns
Benitez
Palomino
Cuevas
Buchannan
DeJesus
Viruet -

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Marcel

 

Quite possibly the greatest lightweight of all time or very easily top 3 without question. His trilogy with Estaban Dejesus is often forgotten and Dejesus was an outstanding fighter, as was Ken Buchanon. Moving up in weight to beat Sugar Ray Leonard was huge, and another terrific fighter rarely mentioned whom he defeated was Carlos palamino.. Roberto has many wins so I won't list all of them.. But I believe he was something like a four divisional champion and proved at 37 that he was still world class when he topped Iran Barkley.. His later fights that carried well into his forties weren't against stellar opposition but still verification that he was a force to be reckoned with at any age. Roberto's resume is definitely top 10 p4p..

Was Ray Leonard the best single win of all time? I don't know about that. A tremendous win to be sure, but its difficult to award that claim to just one person. Lot's of huge wins in boxing history.

 

Yeah that claim kinda raised some questions with me too. And certainly Juan Marquez is as good or better than a lot of the men Duran faced. There are some others as well.

 

Although I think you are overly harsh (Cotto won fairly against Mosley IMO), I agree for the most part.

Hearing all this stuff about him being the first PR to win titles in 4 divisions....do people actually look at circumstances and opponents of Cotto's 4 titles, as opposed to Benitez's 3? People on the General Forum actually voted him as an ATG.

I consider Cotto a "very good" fighter, who has been great for the sport, but I'll agree that Dejesus as his best was a superior fighter.

 

I'd rate his resume a A maybe even a A- in terms of wins and A+ as to who he fought.

Had he the mindset of say Floyd or SRL in terms of staying in shape, he would have had a few less losses and Gil Clancy said he talked to Duran after the Hagler fight and Duran said he simply ran out of gas in the later rounds. (watch the Barkley fight if you want to get his exact comments). But just imagine if he would have pulled off that fight.

Just lowered his resume wins (included the A-) after thinking a bit more about the Kirkland Laing fight. Man that was bad. I was shocked at just how poorly Duran fought. Bernstein was saying let's remember the Duran of old as he was clearly past his best. But it's not really fair to only rate his wins and not take into account some of his stinkers. They were few and far between but they existed.

 

I have been checking out Halger-Duran and there were rounds when Duran was outboxing Hagler..puffed his eye a little. Through 6 rounds I had it close. I know that is not a win but we are talking about a guy who put away everything in the LW division and put away Leonard and Palomino in one year before stepping into the middleweight...and I forgot all about Barkley.

Wins over
Buchanan: Lightweight title
Leonard: Welterweight title
Barkley: Middleweight title

That is a A+.

If Buchanan fought at lightweight today he would rule it.
If Leonard fought at welterweight he would rule it.
If Barkley fought at middleweight today he would rule it.

I am not even including his wins over great contenders or ruling the lightweight for 7 years.