Both were past their best, their primes were early to mid 60s, like 64 or 65. Chuvalo was a good puncher but not a very hard one. Frazier punched harder than him, and so did Williams, Lyle, Foster...but he could rock good.
The only good win is Quarry, and that was mostly a fluke or something. He beat good Durrelle and Doug Jones, but those guys were LHWs and just journeymen. As I stated for Besmanoff, he was beaten to a pulp by the old 50-year-old Archie Moore.
“Did I ever claim I wrote those things?” You didn’t need to. You posted them without a hint of attribution—no quotation marks, no source, nothing. You clearly wanted people to think they were your words. That’s plagiarism, plain and simple. Trying to weasel out of it after getting caught by saying “I never claimed I wrote it” is pathetic. That’s like a book author plagiarizing someone else’s entire chapter, then standing in court saying, “Well, I never said I wrote it.” No one’s buying that garbage. Don’t compare it to quoting with credit either. I source what I share—you steal other people’s work and only admit it under pressure. That’s the difference between honesty and fraud. “ I would like any of you to provide a quote or post that I claimed mine again. If you cannot, then please offer something better than that, as I see a lack of arguments.” Let me spell it out for you: when a post suddenly sounds coherent, insightful, or remotely well-written, everyone already knows it didn’t come from you. You don’t need to put your name on it—your usual lack of clarity does that for you. You told me to find where you copy-pasted anything—I did. Then, like clockwork, you moved the goalposts and started whining about how you “never claimed” it was yours. That’s the kind of slippery nonsense people pull when they’ve got nothing else. You’re not clever. You’re not misunderstood. You’re just a fraud who banks on no one calling you out. Well, here it is: you got caught. Own it, or crawl back under whatever rock you lifted those posts from.
Thanks for the support, JT—but I’m done wasting time on this clown. He’ll just keep shifting the goalposts or spouting more barely intelligible nonsense. Five years of arguing with BoxingFan2002, BoxingIsMyDream, Crouch Stance Boxing, SerbianLoudmouth, Nele Ivkovic—whatever name he’s hiding behind this week—would drive anyone to the brink of insanity. Time to put this clown on ignore.
Williams. Machen and what was left of Patterson are the most impressive to me. Id give it a 6 out of 10 amongst heavyweight champions
Doug Jones was a very good fighter, not a mere journeyman. He was a small heavyweight with quick hands, good counterpuncher, New York Golden Gloves champ, as a pro ranked 3rd in the heavyweight division in 1963, nearly defeated young Cassius Clay in a sold-out Garden, Ring Mag declared it Fight of the Year. Beat prime Zora Folley, kayoed up-and-coming Bob Foster. This was no journeyman. I'm sorry BoxingFan2002, I couldn't let that one comment stand unchallenged.
When first challenged that your words were not your own, you responded - "Where did I copy and paste anything". You've now posted - "the other ones were copy pasted from other forums".
Exactly. That’s the problem — when first called out, he flat-out denied copying anything. Now he’s admitting to copy-pasting, but still acting like it’s no big deal with that laughable excuse of “I never claimed it was mine lolz” It’s just another example of how he shifts the goalposts and tries to dodge accountability.
Again, prove your point or I just hurt your feelings by teeling the truth. I just wanted proof that I copy-pasted something and claimed mine, and proof that my last post I also stole from someone. But still you can't, I wont argue anymore with someone who lacks arguments and hides behind Liston fans group(mob) who attacks anyone who think different.
I just proved you are a liar and hating someone, I just asked two things you claimed I stole; 1. My last post which is the one I claim mine 2. Proof where I claimed those copy pasted quotes and posts from other forums to be mine And that was your best argument, attacking someone for something they didn't do, and when you don't have evidence for that, you insult because of the lack of arguments. I just proved that you are not more than a liar and hater too.