Rate the quality of Sonny Liston's resume

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  1. Jason Thomas

    Jason Thomas Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Concerning DeJohn's victories over rated fighters Miteff, Powell, Richardson, Hunter, and Cleroux.

    "I have zero doubt Williams could've replicated those wins (which he did on two occasions)

    I give no credit to a fighter for fights he didn't have. Williams did not do better than DeJohn against Miteff and Richardson--in fact, DeJohn blew Miteff out much more quickly. Williams didn't fight Powell, Hunter, or Cleroux. And ignored is that DeJohn was older than Williams and had fought a lot more tough fights by the time he faced Daniels.
     
  2. Jason Thomas

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    "They had the same number of pro rounds"

    Close, with only a slight edge to Williams, with three fights apparently missing according to newspapers.

    "Terrell had an extensive amateur career."

    Here is a summation of Terrell's amateur career from the Chicagoland Sports Hall of Fame profile of Terrell:

    "Terrell began his boxing career in 1956 as a sophomore at Farragut High School, winning the Chicago Golden Gloves championship in his debut year. He turned pro in 1957."

    Box rec lists three amateur fights. Two wins in Chicago and a loss in New York. At 175.

    Doesn't strike me as that extensive.

    "Terrell and Williams, both KO losses are about equal."

    That can be disputed. Terrell was doing very well against Williams through six, before he was caught, and stopped on his feet. Williams was flattened in three.
     
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  3. Jason Thomas

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    An off topic aside

    "Given your top ten presidential rankings"

    My presidential rankings vary very little, but here is my current rankings:

    1---Abraham Lincoln
    2---Franklin Roosevelt
    3---George Washington
    4---Dwight Eisenhower
    5---Theodore Roosevelt
    6---Harry Truman
    7---Thomas Jefferson
    8---James K. Polk
    9---James Monroe
    10--John F. Kennedy

    The first nine are pretty well set, with perhaps slight variations now and then. At number ten, I would consider Reagan, Lyndon Johnson, and McKinley as reasonable alternatives, and perhaps I have done lists with each of them in 10th place at one time or another.
     
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  4. SolomonDeedes

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    February 1955, Terrell wins the Chicago golden gloves novice division as a 15 year old middleweight.

    https://www.newspapers.com/image/372754270/?match=1&clipping_id=176471875

    January 1956, a glowing article about how Terrell has improved over the last 12 months.

    https://www.newspapers.com/image/372394647/?match=1&clipping_id=176471963

    February 1956, Terrell dethrones defending champ Alonzo Joiner to become Chicago light-heavyweight champ.

    https://www.newspapers.com/image/372990187/?match=1&clipping_id=176472013

    February 1957, Terrell retains his Chicago title.

    https://www.newspapers.com/image/372607066/?match=1&clipping_id=176472096
    https://www.newspapers.com/image/372607123/?clipping_id=176472106

    March 1957, Terrell wins the intercity Golden Gloves and turns pro shortly afterwards.

    https://www.newspapers.com/image/757153195/?match=1&clipping_id=176472150

    So yes, I think "extensive" is a fair enough word for his amateur career. I can't believe you're still quoting boxrec's listing of three amateur bouts as though he was genuinely fighting in the intercity Golden Gloves in his debut.