Rate the SMW resumes of these fighters in order of best

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by bailey, May 2, 2011.


Page 3 of 5
  1. SportsLeader

    SportsLeader Chilling Full Member

    9,226
    9
    May 29, 2010
    Dirrell didn't beat Froch, and Abraham isn't elite. I agree with you about Ward, though. He's definetely ahead of Bute.
     
    SportsLeader, May 2, 2011
    SportsLeader, May 2, 2011
    #31
  2. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

    40,304
    3,416
    Dec 11, 2009
    I havent seen anywhere where it said Kessler was favourite to win the S6. I did read at the beginning that Froch was and I read somewhere that AA was.
    Remember Froch had travelling probs and bad prep for Kessler as well as fighting away, and that Ward was at home etc.
    Im not saying who better out of Bute and Ward and I agree Bute hasnt fought the top guys yet but look at resumes overall but Andrade was at #3 when Bute beat him. Also consider that Cloud for beating Zuniga on points went above Dawson at LHW for doing so, in The Ring mag. Note also Bute has looked better against common opponents

    Bute beat Bika - better than Ward,
    Miranda - better than Ward,
    Andrade twice,
    Joppy,
    Zuniga, better than Cloud and Cloud beating Zuniga has put him above Dawson
    Brinkley
    Berrio - Holds a win over Steiglitz
    Magee who is a European champ and world rated fighter who hadnt lost in 10 fights
    In world title fights.

    You could also note Mock, Tatvosyan and Salem

    Ward has beaten
    Kessler - A very good win better than any name on Bute resume but remember that Kessler was an unwell fighter
    Miranda
    Green - who lost to Miranda
    Bika
    Next Abraham on a winning run of 1 injury victory and then 2 losses the last being very decisive

    You could also note Buchanan

    Now Wards victory over Kessler isnt better overall than Andrade, Berrio, Zuniga etc
     
    bailey, May 2, 2011
    bailey, May 2, 2011
    #32
  3. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

    40,304
    3,416
    Dec 11, 2009
    Why you boys mentioning Calzaghe :patsch, is it because his SMW resume pisses over Toneys and Jones or because he beat Hopkins :yep. Calzaghe wasnt in the thread to start with :patsch. It must hurt you boys :lol:
     
    bailey, May 2, 2011
    bailey, May 2, 2011
    #33
  4. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

    40,304
    3,416
    Dec 11, 2009
    :lol: Raving about Toneys win over a fighter blasted out in a round by Benn previously :patsch
     
    bailey, May 2, 2011
    bailey, May 2, 2011
    #34
  5. HEADBANGER

    HEADBANGER TEAM ELITE GENERAL Full Member

    13,654
    692
    Oct 17, 2009


    even a shot 37 year old roberto duran fighting at middleweight :lol: was able to beat barkley previous to toney, yet these fan boys see it as the jewel in the crown of toneys super middleweight reign :rofl
     
    HEADBANGER, May 2, 2011
    HEADBANGER, May 2, 2011
    #35
  6. Snakefist

    Snakefist Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,650
    3
    Feb 20, 2007
    3 knockdown rule in affect, which is pure garbage. When the fight was stopped Iran had his legs under him, was ready to go, and the bell was like a few seconds from ringing. He could've continued and who knows what would've happened, as Benn was a wild and could get hurt.
     
    Snakefist, May 2, 2011
    Snakefist, May 2, 2011
    #36
  7. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

    40,304
    3,416
    Dec 11, 2009
    Barkley was bounced off the canvas 3 times. Its a good job the 3 KD rule was in effect. Benn probably softend up Barkley for Toney with that beat down
     
    bailey, May 2, 2011
    bailey, May 2, 2011
    #37
  8. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

    40,304
    3,416
    Dec 11, 2009
    Why a giant gap on SMW resumes between Jones and Toney? Jones beat Toney, but Toney overall has a better SMW resume than Jones.
    Bute overall has a better resume than Ward. I think Steiglitz has a better win resume than Dirrell
     
    bailey, May 2, 2011
    bailey, May 2, 2011
    #38
  9. Faerun

    Faerun Boxing Junkie Full Member

    13,858
    4
    Nov 7, 2009
    No need to elaborate any further. That alone elevates Ward's resume above Bute's.
     
    Faerun, May 2, 2011
    Faerun, May 2, 2011
    #39
  10. Guybino

    Guybino Boxing Addict Full Member

    4,584
    1,691
    Mar 6, 2011
    bull****

    he came to hug that was it. Cant expect to go to a champions backyard and clinch all night long, and still win.
     
    Guybino, May 2, 2011
    Guybino, May 2, 2011
    #40
  11. taobum70

    taobum70 Well-Known Member Full Member

    1,852
    4
    Feb 9, 2010
    Toney, who needed a gift decision against Tiberi, lost to Thadzi would TKO Calzaghe? JC would be a stylistic nightmare for a counterpuncher, because he doesn't stop throwing like normal fighters do. While JC is lacking great opponents, he always found a way to win, hardly had a subpar performance in his career, while Toney had several of those. If Nunn was able to use handspeed and workrate to win 6 - 7 rounds against Toney, I don't see why JC, who has a much better chin and better stamina can't do it for 12.
     
    taobum70, May 2, 2011
    taobum70, May 2, 2011
    #41
  12. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

    40,304
    3,416
    Dec 11, 2009
    No it doesnt. One win over an unwell double vision suffering fighter isnt as good as Zuniga, Berrio, Andrade twice, Magee combined

    Im not saying who better out of Bute and Ward and I agree Bute hasnt fought the top guys yet but look at resumes overall but Andrade was at #3 when Bute beat him. Also consider that Cloud for beating Zuniga on points went above Dawson at LHW for doing so, in The Ring mag. Note also Bute has looked better against common opponents

    Bute beat Bika - better than Ward,
    Miranda - better than Ward,
    Andrade twice,
    Joppy,
    Zuniga, better than Cloud and Cloud beating Zuniga has put him above Dawson
    Brinkley
    Berrio - Holds a win over Steiglitz
    Magee who is a European champ and world rated fighter who hadnt lost in 10 fights
    In world title fights.

    You could also note Mock, Tatvosyan and Salem

    Ward has beaten
    Kessler - A very good win better than any name on Bute resume but remember that Kessler was an unwell fighter
    Miranda
    Green - who lost to Miranda
    Bika
    Next Abraham on a winning run of 1 injury victory and then 2 losses the last being very decisive

    You could also note Buchanan

    Now Wards victory over Kessler isnt better overall than Andrade, Berrio, Zuniga etc
     
    bailey, May 2, 2011
    bailey, May 2, 2011
    #42
  13. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

    40,304
    3,416
    Dec 11, 2009
    He was reffering to the AA fight, I believe
     
    bailey, May 2, 2011
    bailey, May 2, 2011
    #43
  14. Faerun

    Faerun Boxing Junkie Full Member

    13,858
    4
    Nov 7, 2009
    yada yada yada I apologize for not going through your massive post but I really couldn't get past your second phrase and I tried hard. Unwell? What? Double vision? Did he look visually impaired against Froch? Your post is irritatingly biased.

    Ward ****ing kicked Kessler's ass and based on that fight alone I dare say he hands Kessler's ass to him no matter which version shows up (pre-Calzaghe, post-Calzaghe or whatevr). Headbutting ended the fight early but the difference in skill was blinding even way before the headbutts occured.
     
    Faerun, May 2, 2011
    Faerun, May 2, 2011
    #44
  15. purephase

    purephase Boxing Junkie Full Member

    10,740
    89
    Jan 14, 2011
    Stieglitz>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bute (lives too close to America)>>>>>>>>>Johnson (lives in America)>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>all of the overrated American hype jobs. Is that the answer you were looking for?
     
    purephase, May 2, 2011
    purephase, May 2, 2011
    #45
Page 3 of 5