Rate their chins. Marciano, foreman or holmes?

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Concession accepted.

 

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Ok to the ignore list you go.

 

Because you started with the insults. Like a lot of **** talkers here you seem to forget that.

 

1. That's why your argument is asinine.
2. You never mentioned prime once. Here you are squirming again.
3. In reply to how Snipes and Bey are better fighters than Walcott and Moore.
"they were taller, bigger, longer reach, stronger, younger, and possibly hit harder based on ko%. "

Btw the last one is a lie. Moore had a higher ko percent than Snipes and Bey. Walcott was only 1 percent lower than Snipes and Bey. You misrepresent the facts to make people think that Snipes and Bey were harder hitters.

4. You were talking about the act. You know what you said. You're gay dude.

 

I dont see Walcott putting 1990 Foreman on his ass with that hook, sorry.

 

I made a similar observation in a thread a while back. But some folks around here like to pretend that Walcott was only able to bully Marciano and land those shots because of his elite technical skills though...

 

Yep.

 

1-there is nothing asinine in asking you to back up your claim. Ive asked you about ten times to prove walcott could 240 pound fighters. Its not like none of them existed back then.

2-again, i said a dozen times from the beginning moore wasnt in his prime and thus wouldnt hit as hard. You cant keep up.

3-but nowhere in my post did i say "resume doesnt matter" so again youre a hypocrite for straight up lying and putting words in my mouth.

I wasnt trying to make people think bey or snipes hit harder, i was just pointing out that they were tall, strong, young, undedeated aggressive heavyweights and thus its understandable to struggle momentarily with them.

4-im still waiting for you to show me the quote. Is this like the 4th, 5th time you claimed i said something but failed to provide any evidence? Thats called baseless slander. I could have reported you for all the homophobic slurs you used but im not gay and i honestly dont care.

If you repeat the same bs again im just gonna ignore you. You are lying, hypocritical, insecure, homophobic man child with serious projecting issues.

 

If Foreman had been really hurt against Lakusta he wouldnt have finished him off 20 seconds later, you dont recover that fast at that age. Foreman was sometimes off balance and often looked goofy and awkward trying to regain it, could be mistaken for being hurt. I dont think you can take that as an indicator of foreman not having a granite Chin. Marcianos chin was amazing p4p but he was 60 pounds lighter than george and never took a vicious beating or was outclassed(since he never lost closest thing was walcott and he was 39 and didnt lay it on Marciano for the entire fight like some off Foremans opponents did) Foreman took bad beatings from Holyfield, moorer(before he KO'd him) and IMO stewart as well. And i cant envision Walcott or Moore dropping 1990 Foremn with the punches they put Marciano down with. No shame for Marciano he is just much smaller and shouldnt be compared to guys like Foreman unless its in a p4p sense.

 

I dont get why its so hard to accept walcott just wasnt that amazing compared to later fighters. A 6 ft 190 pound 39 year old man shopworn with over 15 losses is ranked in the top 10 and/or champion throughout the decade??? How horrible was this era?

Charles, who i admit had amazing skill, moved up from middle and light heavy and tossed the title back and forth between himself and walcott. He was also very small, skinny, and had ALS.

They want to give rocky credit for beating a 38 year old 188 pound archie moore (1955) and rant rave about how "good" moore still was at that age. But they ignore the fact he went on an undefeated 11 fight (8 ko) win streak before facing patterson ONE year later (1956). Are you telling moore went from being an excellent fighter when he faced rocky to shopworn old man in one year??? Patterson beat him even easier and never went down--and patterson had a glass jaw!

In any other heavyweight era, when was it "normal" for the best guys ranked in the top 10 to be over 30 and have more than 10 losses? That wasnt the case for the 60's, 70's, 80's, etc so why does no one want to talk about the elephant in the room? The era just wasnt that good. Many of rockys opponents had losing records, guys with less than 10 fights, or shopworn older guys with more than 10 losses.

As i pointed out, a shopworn joe louis (6'2 career heavy 213 pound) was one of his heaviest and tallest opponents. The average opponent he faced was betweeen 175-195 lbs and 6 ft or shorter. There were actually a handful of bigger 6'2, 6'3, and 6'4 fighters in his era whom he somehow avoided--some of whom were ranked in the top 10 when rocky was champion. Why? Both Dempsey and Louis (who fought way before rocky became pro) took on several men this size or bigger. They were always there in every era. Al weil was one of the most careful, crafty matchmakers in history.

 

He was hurt. Lakusta was more hurt.

Who says you don't recover that fast at that age? Look at what Moore did against Durelle at 42.

He was knocked off balance by the punch and certainly rocked by it. Foreman was caught completely unprepared in mid step as he thought Lakusta was done for.

It's not all that different from the Marciano/Walcott KD being discussed. A combination of a good punch at the right time. Marciano and Foreman were both hurt but also knocked off balance.

All three men being discussed were made of granite.

Walcott was actually 38, why people in this thread keep insisting on 40 or 39 I don't know. I just want to straighten that out.

In addition to being lighter, Maricano shifted his weight more frequently and dramatically than the statuesque Foreman of the 90s. At the time of the Walcott KD, Maricano was caught in mid bob, crouched low, all his weight on the left side, his right foot not even planted as he's caught by a left hook from Walcott. Against Moore, Marciano got caught tumbling forward as he over extended on a missed right out of a bob. I can't envision 90s Foreman in either situation period.

Foreman in the 90s, maintained a strong base, feet planted, chin tucked, rarely extended himself and always braced for return fire. The Lakusta punch is the rare instance he got caught on the move, and he nearly went down from a non-puncher 45 pounds lighter.

Stylistically and physically, the facts speak for themselves, I can't imagine more difficult opponent to move than old Foreman. He was a giant anchor that was rarely out of position. But I don't rate durability just one's ability to maintain a vertical base.

Could Moore and Walcott KD Foreman? Not likely I would imagine. But could they hurt him, maybe worse than they hurt Rocky? Probably. If Holyfield can have Foreman out on his feet and teetering, they could to.

 

1. You're argument is asinine.
2. It doesn't matter if they were younger because Moore from the Marciano fight hit harder than Snipes.
3. Your criteria lacked resume. If I say the criteria for becoming the greatest president of all time are solving world hunger and creating and era of peace I can't turn around and say "Well I didn't NOT say they have to be 6'5". It doesn't work like that. You can't just insert extra criteria whenever you like.

Bottom line is you didn't list resume as a reason why they hit harder. Why would there be other standards just because it is another fighter?
4. I don't care what you are waiting for.

 

Bully? Marciano was the bully in this fight, Walcott played matador.

Regarding those shots. The same reason Walcott hit anybody, his feints and positioning are out of this world.

What exactly are you trying to imply? Walcott didn't have elite skills? He reached the apex of the sport at 37 years of age, you don't do that without elite skills. Who are you kidding?