Rate their chins. Marciano, foreman or holmes?

Wouldn't much matter. Anyone on this forum goes a round with either one and they get knocked out cold.

 

Then you are saying he wasn't one of Rocky's best opponents.

Natural weight is subjective. The fact is that in their 30s, Marciano and Charles weighed roughly the same.

Charles' accuracy was devastating and he has plenty of excellent knockout wins above 175.

Accuracy and timing has proven time and time again to be the real killer in boxing.

Ah, wandering if you would catch that.

 

1. Foreman
2. Holmes
3. Marciano.

I put Foreman over Holmes because he took more clean shots on a regular basis even in their second careers. Big George ate hooks from Tommy Morrison, Michael Moorer and Holyfield without going down. Even Cooney caught him with a clean short hook and Foreman took it.

 

Speak for yourself. You have no clue what experience i have. Ive never been dropped let alone stopped.

It also has absolutely nothing to do with who hits harder between rockys best opponents and foremans.

He was probably the best fighter he faced.

Im aware of his actual biological age. I meant the average with the other three. Besides back then a fighter even at 32 was more like 38 in todays boxing especially someone like charles who had been in multiple wars and fought several times a year.

You cant try to make a list to determine "who had the best x" but then place one guy higher because of p4p "natural weight" when theyre the same weight class. That is precisely why i have foreman higher in the first place because his opponents were all bigger than marcianos on average.

Now if we were strictly talking in p4p sense then yes marcianos chin is better. But if we're treating both of them as "heavyweights" in the "same" weight class then its pretty straightforward and obvious foreman has taken way worse punishment and remained standing.

Charles knocking out 175 or even 200 pounders is not the same as briggs or morrison knocking out 210-220+ pounders. Bob foster knocked out plenty of guys in his division but his fists basically bounced off of fraziers head and did nothing--and frazier wasnt even a big heavyweight for his era.

Can you name many (emphasis) marciano opponents who had better accuracy and timing than a prime holyfield or moorer? Because they couldnt do much more than slow him down or buzz him.

 

I would say so, and he wasn't 40.

Walcott, Moore, and Louis. Yes, they were in their late 30s. But I would add in Rex Layne as another "best" opponent who was only 23.

That's speculative and only looking at it one way. Marciano wasn't exactly fresh himself. From the summer of 48 to the summer of 54, he fought 45 fights (an average of 8 per year) in a more aggressive physically demanding style than Charles, never mind Marciano entered the sport with severe hand and knee injuries. No way you can prove one man was older than their real age. Charles' performance against Marciano is often cited as one of his career best by several writers, you won't find many write ups that state he looked old.

I confess to not understanding what you are saying here.

Young, Peralta, and Ali..men who hurt a tiring Foreman with accuracy really aren't that much bigger then 50s heavies.

There is good reason to suspect Briggs' overall punching ability is incredibly overstated. Regarding Foreman, Briggs really didn't hit him with many quality loaded punches, he was completely outclassed for the vast majority of that fight.

If we are talking 210 plus men, Charles has the Baksi scalp, which I would rate over any of Briggs' stoppage wins.

I think the Morrison fight was a good display of durability from Big George, he tucked that chin and marched forward. I do believe Morrison did take the mustard off many shots as he was timid and looking to score with quick combos and counters. He still hit Foreman with some solid thumping shots though.

Charles, Walcott, and Moore were all phenomenal punchers.

 

Any 40 years old lightheavyweights drop Foreman or Holmes?

 

I dispute that Marciano had," really excellent defence," by his own admission he said he could not avoid an old Louis' jabs and that he just had to take them.Marciano was cut and marked up in all his major fights that does not indicate," really excellent defence!"

 

Sure thing internet heavyweight champ.

 

To compare Charles ring mileage with Marciano's is ridiculous Rocky had 45 fights when they fought, Charles 96,plus Charles had three times the rounds on his clock!

 

Apart from opening a small cut on Foreman's eye when did Peralta hurt Foreman? The press gave George every round! Prime Charles at 178lbs in1948 Beat Baksi on a cut eye stoppage Baksi was 210.5lbs so you could say he was 210lb s plus if you were devious and cavalier with facts.

1948-12-10 : Ezzard Charles 178 lbs beat Joe Baksi 210½ lbs by TKO at 2:33 in round 11 of 15

• Location: Madison Square Garden, New York, New York, USA
• Referee: Ruby Goldstein

• Attendance: 11,194. Billed as eliminator for shot at Joe Louis. After the fight, Louis declared Charles the top contender for his world title.
• Baksi asked referee Ruby Goldstein to stop the bout, saying that he couldn't see. He had a cut over his left eye, as well as swelling on his left.

 

Proven is Foreman maybe edging Holmes with Marciano a distant third because he fought against much smaller men.

Foreman really did not get hit that much in his first go round .. Lyle was the exception and Lyle was a monster puncher is he could tee off and he did against George ... in career two Foreman was very impressive .. he took ten unanswered bombs from Holyfield and survived, a few shots from Cooney, shots from Morrison, shots from Moorer, shots from Alex Steward, shots from Shannon Briggs ... all serious heavyweight punchers ..

Holmes took half a dozen flush blasts from Ken Norton, bombs from Mike Weaver, Shavers, Witherspoon, Bonecrusher Smith ... the Tyson fight was a terrible match up fighting the assume version of Tyson at your personal worse ... anyone hit like that by that Tyson at 38 was going down.

Absolutely no doubt Rocky was tough as nails and had a terrific chin but he never fought big men on this level of power .. he gets an incomplete.

 

Youre the one who made an ass out of himself assuming things and redirecting the conversation to an irrelevant discussion.

Yes layne was a good win

 

You're the one claiming you could hang with the likes of Ezzard Charles but I'm the one making an ass out of myself lmao. Whatever you say haha

 

Ok then they both were closer to 36-38 lol

You cant give rocky more credit for "p4p" but consider both rocky and foreman to be the same weight class. Maybe im not explaining it well.

Yes and holyfield was just as good of an accurate sharp shooter as them, would you agree?

 

Youre an idiot. I never said id "hang with charles" i said if i had no other options id rather get HIT by charles rather than briggs or morrison. You cant read.