Rate these 3 in order P4P: Ward, Donaire, Martinez and EXPLAIN

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  1. megavolt

    megavolt Constantly Shadowboxing Full Member

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    Donaire
    Martinez
    Ward


    Donaire of all 3 has consistently shown pound for pound level accomplishment and not just ability. He demolished his way up to 122, picking up some real P4P level wins, like Montiel. People take away from him because of his performance against a "negative" fighter like Narvaez. Super bantam is his 4th weight and people are already calling him to fight the best there. That speaks volumes.

    Martinez fought the massively avoided Williams to a controversial decision when both were P4P #4 and 5. Then he moved up and whooped the man at MW in Pavlik and fought Williams again, winning by brutal KO. Whooped a solid opponent in Dzinziruk. No one wants to fight him at 154. He looked a lil vulnerable in the Dzinz fight and on, but this was still at MW which is why I bumped him down but otherwise he'd be solidly on top.

    Ward, while being the man to beat at 168 hasn't shown anything that shouts "P4P level" to me other than ambiguous "H2H ability" and "being the man". He didn't beat any top 10 P4P, didn't beat any top opposition at other weights. He won the super 6 but that's it. If he beats Dawson AT 175 then he might have an edge against Martinez. In fact I have Ward on a similar level as Bradley in terms of accomplishments.


    Discuss.:deal
     
    megavolt, May 13, 2012
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  2. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    P4P
    #4 Donaire
    #5 Ward
    #6 Sergio

    Based on who they have beaten, how good or rated that opponent was going in, what that opponent has done since can play a role (for example, Donaire's KO of Hernan Marquez, even if at 115, looks great now that Marquez is one of the best 112 out there), how I perceive their skill set to be, the giving of credit for both a] long term dominance in a division and b] accomplishments at varying division limits.

    Basically, how I believe all P4P should be judged:
    The personal combination of judging resume with talent, both of which are opinions which will be unique to oneself.
     
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  3. janeschicken

    janeschicken hard work! deadicayshin! Full Member

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    I rank Martinez higher than Donaire simply due to activity level and the opponents he faced in that timeframe. Donaire has had too many stretches of inactivity/ mediocre opposition to give him the nod above Sexicito, in my opinion.
     
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  4. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    I agree with this. People forgot how big the Darchinyan KO was for Nonito, no one gave him a chance in that fight and he one punched him.

    Didn't Martinez KTFO of Williams after he already beat Pavlik though? Or am I getting my dates wrong?
     
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  5. megavolt

    megavolt Constantly Shadowboxing Full Member

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    All's fair in matters of opinion, what I highlighted there though can go multiple ways though. A fighter can do very poorly after being beaten because of the nature he was beaten/brutalized.
     
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  6. megavolt

    megavolt Constantly Shadowboxing Full Member

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    Yeah no you're right I mixed up the dates ill edit it
     
    megavolt, May 13, 2012
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  7. Arranmcl

    Arranmcl Arran Full Member

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    Donaires resume >> Martinez' resume.
     
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  8. Arranmcl

    Arranmcl Arran Full Member

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  9. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    Yeah, Martinez is good, but I think he gets a bit overhyped just because people think he can "Challenge" Mayweather and Pacquiao.

    But really, wins over Pavlik who just got smacked all over by Hopkins, and a severely overrated Williams makes it pretty hard to rank him any higher than top 5 or 6.
     
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  10. Leonit

    Leonit Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah but don't forget he KOed Cintron who was ranked number one at 154 after that he beat Williams who was I think p4p top 5 and beat Pavlik who was the number one rated MW. For me is really hard to rate those 3. They all have great accomplishments. Out of the three Ward and Sexy are more active but it seems that Donaire has the better resume and signature wins. Veryyy though to rate the Montiel and Vic victories are great but Donaire hasn't looked that great recently...
     
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  11. megavolt

    megavolt Constantly Shadowboxing Full Member

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    Donaire has fought 3 times since the beginning of last year compared to Ward's twice, and Martinez' 3 times. He's the only one of the 3 to currently have a fight scheduled. He looked "lackluster" in a total shutout against Narvaez. He moved up again, took on a top 5 at 122 in Vazquez and whooped him with a hurt hand. (looked a lil vulnerable).

    I think Ward is a clear bottom, and Donaire a clear top atm.
     
    megavolt, May 13, 2012
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  12. Leonit

    Leonit Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I had the Vazquez fight pretty close before the knock down on my card. That said Vazquez is not a bum and brought his A game to this fight
     
    Leonit, May 13, 2012
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  13. purephase

    purephase Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    How in the world was Vazquez top 5 at 122? I mean I know it's a weak division but he had just been stopped by Arce and was never regarded as much more than a prospect.
     
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  14. janeschicken

    janeschicken hard work! deadicayshin! Full Member

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    Donaire may have a fight scheduled, but if it really is Mijares, I'm sorry but that is a freaking joke. There are many more worthy opponents for him.
     
    janeschicken, May 13, 2012
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  15. megavolt

    megavolt Constantly Shadowboxing Full Member

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    Yeah i know :-( it was just a response to this activity level claim
     
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