Rate these 3 in order P4P: Ward, Donaire, Martinez and EXPLAIN

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  1. janeschicken

    janeschicken hard work! deadicayshin! Full Member

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    It's cool. I certainly wouldn't scoff at someone ranking Donaire higher than Martinez, either. But something tells me when Martinez' next fight is signed it will be of considerably higher caliber than Mijares. We'll see.
     
  2. JAHamilton77

    JAHamilton77 Walking Violence Full Member

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    Ward
    Donaire
    Martinez

    Ward's domination over the best competition of the 3 does it for me. Kessler and Abraham didn't even come close, and I think the Froch decision was wider than scores indicate. He doesn't have the overall # of big wins that Donaire and Martinez have, but his "what have you done lately" factor is through the roof.

    Donaire and Martinez are more comparable because they stepped into the mainstream around the same time in 2007 Donaire stepping right into the deep end against Darchinyan, and Martinez giving notice of his upcoming greatness with his win over Saul Roman.

    Since then I just think Donaire has had the more consistent competition, and been more convincing. Also, his "what have you done lately" has been superior.

    I will say its a close grouping though, and I wouldn't dismiss any disagreement among the 3 as silly.
     
  3. elchivito

    elchivito master betty Full Member

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    These 3 IMO are the number #1, 2, and 3 top p4p fighters, not Floyd or Pacman with all due respect. Ward paid his dues as emerging the winner of 168.
    Donaire obliterated Montiel who was supposed to be his toughest rival, tho struggled with Vasquez Jr, finds a way to win.
    Sergio fights the awkward, most avoided fighter in Williams and did what nobody else could and that was to knock him out. Fought prime, hungry fighters like Dzin, Barker, and Macklin who all really are champion level opponents themselves, but it is to their bad luck they are fighting in the same era as Maravilla. Sergio tho, has won his fights in dramatic, fight ending style vs the Euro champ Barker, the former champ and highly praised jab of Dzin, and a determined Macklin who most felt he beat Sturm.
    #1 Sergio
    #2 Ward
    #3 Nonito

    Nonito beats Rigo or Ward gets by Bute, I'd rank them above Sergio. Sergio beats GGG, I'd put him back at the top.
     
  4. Inside805

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    Donaire
    Ward
    Martinez

    Ward and Donaire are both a and b, I wouldn't mind at all if someone put Ward over him. Only reason I put Donaire over him is cuz I ride Nonito's nuts, no gay. Martinez is good, yet overrated. He needs more than just PWill and Pavlik.
     
  5. Hecdog

    Hecdog Active Member Full Member

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    This one is easy. Martinez, Ward and Donaire in this order. Martinez and Ward are very close, but Martinez is more dominating and has more power and defense. Donaire shouldn't be in the mix, he has proven anything other than beating up small guys. He's a wannabe Manny Pacquiao that doesn't come close to either of these guys. And sparring with Manny years ago doesn't count for anything. Eventually, Donaire will be exposed and knocked out. He's nothing special.
     
  6. SugarShane_24

    SugarShane_24 ESB good-looking member Full Member

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    Now this one is just based on hate alone and has no balance whatsoever.

    I highlighted that part that caught my eye.

    So when he stopped Darchinyan he was the bigger guy? Just because he fought Narvaez and scheduled to take on Mijares now he's feasting off smaller fighters in his career?
     
  7. megavolt

    megavolt Constantly Shadowboxing Full Member

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    Lets break this down:

    Top 5s

    Donaire: Montiel, Darchinyan, Narvaez, Sydorenko, Vazquez Jr

    Martinez: Williams II, Pavlik, Dzinziruk, Cintron, Macklin

    Ward: Froch, Kessler, Abraham, Bika, Miranda
     
  8. Arranmcl

    Arranmcl Arran Full Member

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    Marquez is 3
     
  9. JoeAverage

    JoeAverage Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Now I would have these three VERY close!

    All three should be in top 5.
     
  10. JoeAverage

    JoeAverage Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Levels from 1-10 (A = 1-3; B = 4-6; 7-10)
    I consider al three to be level 1 fighters, and this is roughly how I see the level of their opponents based on skill, experience etc.


    Donaire (1):

    Montiel 3
    Darchinyan 5
    Narvaez 8
    Sydorenko 9
    Vazquez Jr 8

    Martinez (1):

    Williams II 3
    Pavlik 5
    Dzinziruk 5
    Cintron 7
    Macklin 8

    Ward (1):

    Kessler 2
    Froch 4
    Abraham 5
    Bika 7
    Miranda 9
     
  11. pejevan

    pejevan inmate No. 1363917 Full Member

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    Brian Viloria's last 4 fights trumps these 3.

    Ulises Solis, Miranda, Segura, then Romero.

    All as underdog.

    Why Viloria is not PFP is beyond me.
     
  12. megavolt

    megavolt Constantly Shadowboxing Full Member

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    How the..... huh??????

    Kessler is the best win on the whole list of top wins? Kessler wasn't even ranked pound for pound and got whipped by Slappy
     
  13. Diggersan

    Diggersan Boxing Addict Full Member

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    1. Donaire
    2. Martinez
    3. Ward

    Ward as impressive as he has been, has not knocked out any of the competition. Donaire's resume is better than Martinez's so I basically have it like this.