Rate these fighters' historical significance: ATG, HOF, borderline HOF, not deserving HOF

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  1. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The following list:

    Sergio Martinez
    Miguel Cotto
    Antonio Margarito
    Nonito Donaire
    Donnie Nietes
    Roman Gonzalez
    Zab Judah
    Jose Luis Castillo
    Danny Garcia
    Sergey Kovalev
    Fernando Vargas
    Antonio Tarver
    Kelly Pavlik
    Ricky Hatton
    Timothy Bradley
    Dariusz Michalchevski
     
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  2. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Didn't put all that much thought into it, but something like this.

    Nonito Donaire
    Roman Gonzalez
    Miguel Cotto
    Sergey Kovalev
    Sergio Martinez
    Timothy Bradley
    Antonio Tarver
    Kelly Pavlik
    Antonio Margarito
    Dariusz Michalczewski
    Fernando Vargas
    Donnie Nietes
    Danny Garcia
    Ricky Hatton
    Zab Judah
    Jose Luis Castillo
     
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  3. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    None of those are ATG.. The best of all of those to me is Roman Gonzales.Cotto and Donaire, Michalchevski at HOF.. Martinez and Hatton, Vargas, Margarito, Castillo, Bradley, Michalhevski borderline Hall of fame Judah, Garcia, Kovalev,Tarver, Pavlik all come up short.. Borderline HOF maybe, but I don't think they should get in so I put them at the bottom. If you want a list?
    Gonzales,
    Cotto,
    Donaire,
    Michalchavski,
    Martinez,
    Bradley,
    Nietes,
    Margarito,
    Hatton,
    Vargas,
    Kovalev,
    Tarver,
    Garcia,
    Judah,
    Pavlik I look at the big wins. Pavlik at the end? Lost to an old Hopkins. If he were at the top he should have had enough to beat Hopkins. Kovalev did. Although there is Tarver, who lost to Hopkins but had three fights with Jones. Judah? Entertaining.. but inconsistent. Danny Garcia. Does ok in a weak era. Like I said none of these guys are ATG, although I think the list was put there because these guys are sort of questioned as where they rank.
     
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  4. KO KIDD

    KO KIDD Loyal Member Full Member

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    Sergio Martinez: Border HOF kind of a late bloomer decent title run at 160
    Miguel Cotto: HOF though I take off some points for vacant titles and injury wins
    Antonio Margarito: While I think he legitimately beat Cotto I'm not sure he is HOF material.
    Nonito Donaire: HOF for sure, low weights are not my area of expertise might be borderline ATG for the sub 126
    Donnie Nietes: Not enough information
    Roman Gonzalez: HOF
    Zab Judah: Not sure if he is HOF he was undisputed at 147 and held titles at 140 its close. Was a little too inconsistent
    Jose Luis Castillo: Fought Floyd on even footing, and beat Johnston and Diaz but got controversial wins vs Casamayor and Ngougo. I'd say border

    Danny Garcia: I like Garcia but he has some controversial wins and it seems he will take 1 quality guy then fight someone completely below his depth. While he was a legitimate and unified 140lb champion he came up short in his biggest fights vs Thurman a clear loss and Porter in a close one. I would say border line

    Sergey Kovalev: funny case going into the Ward fight I would say on pace to be HOF then he got stopped by Ward and Alvarez and Canelo and was on the verge vs Yarde. I think I'm letting present state get too much in my judgement

    Fernando Vargas: I dont know, his biggest wins were close and his losses were devastating. I dont know if he had enough fights or that one big win to push him into the hall

    Antonio Tarver: HOF worthy though he did mail it in vs Hopkins and Dawson
    Kelly Pavlik: Was a big fan but I feel like his time at the top was too short. His best wins Taylor and Miranda were awesome at the time but I'm not sure they have aged the best. I wouldnt argue anyone who would put him in but if I had a vote I'd say no

    Ricky Hatton: Big fan of Hatton not sure he has the resume for the HOF.
    Timothy Bradley: HOF
    Dariusz Michalchevski: HOF

    No definite ATG fighters and a bunch of possible HOF guys that could be argued either way. Only a few there that I would say definitely HOF material
     
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  5. Henry Hank

    Henry Hank Mexicans Run Houston Full Member

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    Sergio Martinez - HOF
    Miguel Cotto - HOF
    Antonio Margarito -not HOF
    Nonito Donaire - HOF
    Donnie Nietes - borderline HOF
    Roman Gonzalez - ATG
    Zab Judah - Not HOF
    Jose Luis Castillo -borderline HOF
    Danny Garcia - Not HOF
    Sergey Kovalev - Not HOF
    Fernando Vargas - Not HOF
    Antonio Tarver- Not HOF
    Kelly Pavlik - Not HOF
    Ricky Hatton - Not HOF
    Timothy Bradley - Not HOF
    Dariusz Michalchevski - HOF
     
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  6. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Excellent breakdown!
     
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  7. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    The following list:

    Sergio Martinez HOF
    Miguel Cotto borderline HOF
    Antonio Margarito not deserving HOF
    Nonito Donaire ATG
    Donnie Nietes borderline HOF
    Roman Gonzalez ATG
    Zab Judah not deserving HOF
    Jose Luis Castillo HOF
    Danny Garcia not deserving HOF
    Sergey Kovalev HOF
    Fernando Vargas not deserving HOF
    Antonio Tarver borderline HOF
    Kelly Pavlik not deserving HOF
    Ricky Hatton not deserving HOF
    Timothy Bradley borderline HOF
    Dariusz Michalchevski not deserving HOF
     
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  8. Dangerwood84

    Dangerwood84 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Personally, I think there's too many in the hall of fame. The Canastota hall of fame, there's too many there that shouldn't be in a legit hall of fame. So I am imagining a glorious fictitious HOF, where only the best of the best get in but due to politics a couple might sneak through the cracks...lol!
    Anyway if that list, they only fighters I would include would be : Cotto, Donaire, Gonzalez and Michalchevski.
     
  9. 22JM

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    Zab and Hatton above Castillo?
     
  10. Tramell

    Tramell Hypocrites Love to Pray & Be Seen. Mathew 6:5 Full Member

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    Miguel Cotto-HOF
    Nonito Donaire-HOF
    Donnie Nietes- didn't see much of him
    Roman Gonzalez-ATG
    Antonio Tarver-Border HOF
    Ricky Hatton-Border HOF
    Timothy Bradley-HOF
    Dariusz Michalchevski- Border HOF
     
  11. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Like I said, it's far from perfect, but in the ballpark. Those three are interchangeable so I'm not going to argue against putting Castillo over both of them.
     
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  12. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Castillo is hardly a greater fighter than Zab. Judah was 147 lbs world champion, and won titles in 2 weight classes. Both had their ups and downs, and for every Zab loss you can find Castillo's shortcomings. The only claim in Castillo's favor is his first fight vs Floyd.