Rate these great Bantamweights in order

Chandler
Herrera
Castillo
Canizales
Rose
Martinez

 

Chucho Castillo
Rafael Herera
Jeff Chandler
Rudolfo Martinez
Lionel Rose
Orlando Canizales

Chandler and Martinez r interchangeable 4 me @ d moment .
Rose & Canizales maybe also interchangeable but currently i have it this way .
In d past i had it d other way and in d future IDK .

But Castillo > Herera > Chandler & Martinez > Rose & Canizales

maybe Castillo/Herera and Chandler interchangeable due 2 Castillo's early stoppage losses , but who knows d reasons 2 them and Chandler was probably brought up carefully like d usual American commodity / prospect .

Careful upbringing is d standard in d entire world throughout history at least most of d time so Maybe Castillo/Herera sucked this much ?

Probably no 1 knows about their early stoppage losses .

BTW , and i did it independently , according 2 boxrec ,
Chucho @ #6 , Herera @ #9 , Martinez @ #18 , Chandler @ #22 , Canizales @ # 51 and Rose @ #57 :yep

 

Great list.!!!

 

Quite bizarre that BR has Rose at 57 and Castillo at 6 when Rose beat a peak Castillo for the title in LA, the home of Mexican bantams.

 

from boxrec :

2 me it says it all , along with Rose's record .

Castillo is el mas macho .

Since our last argument about it , i still have it :
Castillo > Herera > Olivares .

And I do think that Olivares was really good . Far better than Joe Louis 4 example , and I tend 2 rank him over Harada more often than not .

So boxrec and i have some similarities in our methods , although i take as many details as i can in2 consideration .

4 example in its most extreme 4m that even i might sometimes can bare a disagreement on , it is better 2 lose by stoppage due 2 cuts while knocking your opponent down than winning due 2 cuts while being knocked down .

 

The decision did spark a riot by Castillo's fans but have you watched the fight and judged it for yourself?

I'm not critisizing you here, I'm just saying that is a big difference they have there no.6 to no. 57.

What's wrong with Rose's record anyway, at bantam?

 

2 me KDs usually overrule scorecards unless something else brutal and dramatic takes place .

I m also careful b4 scoring a rd 4 a certain fighter over d other , they have 2 earn it .

Who did Rose stop @ d weight : no1 .
Was he stopped @ d weight ? yes , by KO .
And who KOd him ? Olivares , whom was KOable himself @ d weight .
I do believe that he lost 2 Castillo and regarding Harada IDK , but I believe that Harada was of a lesser quality than Castillo , Herera & Olivares .
Harada is over8ed even if he was good , better than Rose himself despite losing 2 him on paper and even if it really was a loss , Harada never re2ned 2 118 after losing 2 Rose so I think d explanation is here , whatever words u may use 4 it : drained / past his prime @ d weight / whatever .

I think that d difference between them is well justified , even somewhat or maybe a lot smaller than it should b .

And another thing , regarding your addition : "at bantam" :
Rose's weights prior 2 Bantam were above d weight , and his weights afterwards escal8ed quickly and at a young age which means that he was a big weight cutter , which does not yield respect in p4p terms and there4 his stoppage losses above 118 should b treated simply as his true worth : losing by KO 2 men his own size while draining his S out just 2 win a decision over a possibly more drained opponent and 2 gain a robbery decision over another opponent , only 2 later b KOd by another KOable man .

Then he went up in weight and usually got KOd by men his own size , below mediocre as they were .

This is d true story of Lionel Rose's career .

 

Well I think most of us don't score fights by knockdowns. Rose could be knocked down but always got up again and came back strong.
Do you find you call a lot of rounds even when you're scoring fights?
True, Rose wasn't an out an out banger but he was a beautiful boxer with respectable power. None of his challengers who were all top contenders had been KO'd when Rose fought them apart from Castillo.
He was stopped at the weight by KO against a proven banger Olivares who was at his peak and never been beaten, let alone KO'd at that point in his career. Lionel never fought at bantam again as Harada didn't after he himself had lost to Rose.
Harada overrated? Well if that is your opinion I'm not going to argue with you though I disagree.
I don't understand your last comment, 6 to 57 is well justified or isn't it?

 

Thought they might be! I've got the Castillo Rose fight myself, but it's not a great copy.
As it happens I'm a big fan of Castillo, I recently watched the second Herrera fight. I thought Castillo won that.

 

u understood my last comment well .

Regarding on how i score fights , u should have understood my text as it is rather than try 2 get more out of it than it had .
I score not only based on KDs , but KDs usually overrule scorecards regarding 2 who won d fight .

Harada , like Jofre , was a protected hometown fighter .
Ironic that Jofre whom enjoeyed "wins" in his country "lost" twice 2 a lesser man when he stepped outside of it .

And well deserved .

Ironic also , and well deserved that Harada was stopped 2 times in his own country which he very rarely left , and was outpointed 3 additional times at it . And then had 2 additional losses .

Yes , this is still far better than Orlando Canizales and Ricardo Lopez , and better than Lionel Rose , but puts him in d light he should b seen at .

 

Because I'm a Chandler fan and didn't he didn't lose until he was starting to slip. Chucho was beatable in his prime, and Herrera lost, too. I haves lot of respect for Canizales, and would have him higher if he fought better opposition. Rose is a good technician, but I'm not high on him.