Rate these guys in order of greatness Fenech,D.Lopez,Calzaghe,Tszyu

Fenech and Danny>>>Tszyu IMO

 

I don't know about that. I can't see too much of an argument for putting Lopez or Tszyu over Fenech.

That's probably my list.

 

Agreed on Fenech, but I think Lopez and Tszyu are much closer and tougher to split.

 

1. Tszyu
2. Calzaghe
3. Fenech
4. Lopez

 

Why is that?

 

Actually Lopez and Fenech are tougher to split.
Lopez for obvious reasons is not in the league of Calzaghe and Tszyu.
Fenech, who I feel is a little overrated, was a 3 weight champion but he only had 29 wins and not enough depth in his resume. For example, he won the bantamweight title against one of the worst titleholders of all time, Shinagaki.

 

Seen worse guys then Shinagaki...He was a pretty **** weak holder of a very new title at the time but Fenech legitimized it with wins over top contender Jerome Coffee and Olympic Gold Medalist Steve McCrory.

Fenech's did more in his first 15 fights then any of those guys, even Kostya...so the fact he only had 29 wins is meaningless.

At 15 fights Joe had only just become the national champ...and Fenech was already a two division WORLD title holder.

 

Fenech was good but I think skillwise he was not on the level of Tszyu. His resume is also weaker. That he was basically done by the age of 28 goes against him as well. I know Australians rate him higher than Tszyu but I think it's because he was born and bred there.

You're right Joe was a protected fighter but his rabid fans will cause a riot if anybody says he isn't an ATG so the more level headed posters have conceded defeat for the sake of peace.

All three are HOFs but not ATGs IMO.

Danny Lopez doesn't really belong in that company to be honest.

 

I think if they were the same size Fenech would beat him to be honest mate...They are on pretty even terms when all their varying abilities are averaged out but Fenech is a terrible style for Kostya and has abilties more suited for longer pro fights.

It all depends on how you want to rank them really...Fenech's career was more consistent and he was more dominant..Kostya doesnt really have anything close on his record to Jeff rightfully beating Nelson..Man for Man Jeff's resume stacks up pretty well..though Im not going to argue with someone sees it the other way, thats why I said you can have just about any order of those 4 names. Though I agree with My2Sense that I might be off with that because I personally cant see an arugement for Kostya over Jeff.

What splits them for me is that I feel Jeff is a better H2H fighter for the pro ranks..Kostya's limitations cost him there.

 

I don't see how either of those arguments is true.

Fenech showed in a number of fights that he could get on his toes and box effectively, either when he was injured or his strength along wasn't enough to get the job done.

As for their resumes...

Fenech:
Biggest wins - Payakaroon, Zaragoza, Callejas
Other wins - Villasana, Martinez, McCrory, Coffee, Shingaki, old Zarate

Tszyu:
Biggest wins - Judah, Mitchell, Gonzalez
Others - Ruelas, Hurtado, Tackie, old Leija, Rodriguez, old Chavez

I don't see how Tszyu's resume is any better than Fenech's. You can dismiss someone like Shingaki as a "weak" titleholder, but you could say the same about Rodriguez. Fenech's biggest wins are just as good as Tszyu's, and that's even if you don't give him credit for getting the better of Nelson in their first fight. Either way, stepping up to a 4th weight class and getting a draw with a great HOF champion is as big an achievement as anything Tszyu ever did.

 

They are not that close skillwise. Tszyu is the superior boxer.

Nelson was coming off malaria and you can't build a resume on a single win or a draw. Leija beat Nelson shortly afterward. There are many fighters who have wins over great fighters who are not considered great themselves.

Fenech fought exclusively in Australia and never recovered from his first loss. As I said earlier he was basically done at age 28.
Who is the best boxer in his prime or close to his prime that he has beaten?

 

Are you serious? Shingaki was pure garbage. Rodriguez was a solid champion who had wins over Charles Murray, Ray Oliveira, George Scott etc.

Payakaroon and Callejas are big wins? And you put McCrory, Shinagaki, Coffee as other wins? If that is your standard for other wins I could list Tszyu's whole resume.

They are not. His best win, in retrospect, is Zaragoza who was coming off a loss at a lower weight. It was a 10 rounder and Zaragoza's 1st fight at 122.