Rate these guys in order of greatness Fenech,D.Lopez,Calzaghe,Tszyu

I agree but Tsyu is definitely last --his best win was over Judah. In retrospect Kostya was very talented and much like Floyd lacks the resume to claim greatness.

Jeff was better than Kostya although a triple champion his resume is slightly better than that of Kostya.

Calzaghe's fought his best competition past their primes.

Lopez fights were against a more competitive bunch than the other three fighters his war with Chacon a real classic,

In the end here is my list the first three can be rearranged but in the end Kostya is not that good and comes in last.

1. Lopez
2. Calzaghe
3. Fenech
4. Tsyu

 

No, Rodriguez was a lowly regarded titleholder just like Shingaki was.

Yes indeed.

Correct - one a titleholder, the other two unbeaten, highly regarded contenders.

No, you could only list the fighters that were titleholders and/or highly regarded contenders.

Yes they are. Judah and Mitchell were no better than Payakaroon and Zaragoza.

No, his best win (if you don't consider the first Nelson fight) is Payakaroon, who was an undefeated and phenomenally talented titleholder coming off impressive KO wins over Lupe Pintor and Kid Meza.

 

Calzaghe is ATG and doesnt belong here, he may not look the part to some or whatever it is but he is a great. Tszyu and Fenech are similar accomplishment to each other IMO, good champions but not great. I have no idea about Danny Lopez but Id like to check him out.

 

Compared to Fenech? You're talking ****.

 

1.Jeff Fenech
2.Joe Calzaghe
3.Danny Lopez
4.Kostya Tszyu

 

Are you serious?

You're clutching at straws. Those are not the caliber of boxers you are searching for to justify your argument.

Laporte
Fuentes
Bramble
Lopez
Hernandez
Rodriguez
Mayweather
Pineda
Bergman
Ruelas
Hurtado
Gonzalez
Chavez
MitchellX2
Urkal
Judah
Tackie
Leija

Callejas is a big win?

Judah was a beast at 140 and undefeated. 2 runs as JWW champion and undisputed WW champion.
Gonzalez was the most accomplished LW of the 90s who had 10 defenses before he vacated to move to JWW. Had a draw with Chavez (Chavez's reputation saved him from defeat here) and competitive decision loss to DLH who was knocking everybody out at LW and JWW.
Mitchell was undefeated for a decade at JWW with many good wins on his resume.

Phenomenally talented? A 14-0 boxer who beat the corpse of Pintor and Juan Meza in Thailand before vanishing into obscurity once more?

 

They were both good fighters!

skill, accomplishment, longevity, resume.

Yes. Stecca as well.

Congratulations to Lopez for finally making it into the HOF. I know you stick up for your fellow Californians and yes Lopez was a cracking little fighter but there is no need to overrated him now.

Indeed. Unfortunately some of them weren't that great really.

 

Did I actually read 'Danny Lopez' and 'greatness' in the same thread? Lopez wasn't even close to greatness.

 

Yes.

No, I'm not.

Yes they are.

Most of these fighters don't qualify for either category. Only three of them held titles at the time Tszyu beat them, and about half the fighters you listed were dismissed as faded or washed up at the time.

Yes, as much as Judah or Mitchell was.

Likewise:

Zaragoza was a HOFer, a 4-time titleholder across two weight classes, and successfully competed in title fights until he was nearly 40 years old.
Payakaroon was an amateur phenom who beat an ex-titleholder in his pro debut, upset the vastly more experienced Lupe Pintor to win a title after only about 10 pro fights, successfully defended his title against another ex-champ in Kid Meza, and was still undefeated when he fought Fenech.
Callejas was a highly regarded jr. FW champ with an impressive KO record and hadn't lost since his pro debut.

Yes, every bit as much as Judah and Mitchell were.

That's right, he needed only 14 fights to upset Pintor and beat Meza, plus another ex-champ in his pro debut.

 

I cannot agree with any of this, Calzaghe is not a ATG in my eyes.

I still have a lot to learn about boxing and know nothing compared to these guys, but I know that the above is incorrect.

 

Not trying to be a **** Casa but Im getting the impression you are just record scanning here.

Seeing these fighters on film, analyzing the opinions of the media regarding them and the overall strength of the divisions at the time you will see Fenech fought a very decent level of opposition pretty much from the start of his career. Boxrec cant really tell you that mate.

Ill freely admit that a fair bit of Jeff's record has fighters that possessed more promise then substance at the time. Their own records are a little thin after he got to them...less so then the more widely known names on Kostya's.

But you can look at that two ways...Though you recognise the names on Tsyzu's record it doesnt mean they were as capable as they had been before or as capable, at that stage of their careers, then the fighters Jeff was beating and generally dominating.

I also see you dwelling on the fact that Fenech fought mostly in Australia and Samart fought mostly in thailand...well thats pretty irrelevant as both of their careers were mostly free of controversy when they were winning. (Bar Jeff's sometimes questionable weigh in procedures)..It really doesnt matter where they were doing their winning, as long as they were doing it against generally the best available.

 

This Casamayor guy is one of the biggest trolls that posts on this forum. The only positive is that he's not around too often.

 

1. Calzaghe
2. Tszyu
3. Lopez
4. Fenech

 

You half witted clown.