Rate these guys on your all time middleweight list

I'd like to of seen McCallum-Jackson go a few more rounds, instead of being stopped early. Jackson had him in a lot of trouble.

 

How McCallum got through that first round with Jackson I still don't know.

 

Toney, Nunn and McCallum are all really close and I'd rate them above Eubank, Benn and McClellan. I don't think anyone proved themselves the out and out best in that era.

Zale is probably the highest of all of them, but not by a huge amount.

 

Jackson had great wins at MW over Norris and Graham.

He was a monster puncher.

We know that.

If he could land his power, most guys were toast. But in terms of ability, he wasn’t as good as Kalambay and McCallum.

No, Michael Nunn wasn’t levels above Mike McCallum at the weight.

Yes, Nunn beat Kalambay and Kalambay beat McCallum.

We know that it’s never as straightforward as that though.

You can’t just focus on one fight.

James Toney knocked out Micheal Nunn, the same year that he drew with McCallum.

Using your logic, I could say that Sanderline Williams was better than Nunn, because he did better against Toney. But that would be silly.

Nunn was a fine fighter. But he wasn’t levels above McCallum.

 

I love the exaggerators, like Ral and Mark 'the master of someone being FAR better at something than the AWFUL great fighter' Ant

 

LOL

 

How on earth was it going to go a few more rounds? Jackson had shot his wad and McCallum was all over him like a fat kid on a cupcake. After recovering he shortened the distance and put on a clinic against a huge puncher. You could perhaps debate it was stopped a little soon but Jackson was done and was never ever going to turn things. Real one way traffic by the end.

 

If anyone was 'turning it', it was Jackson. He'd already showed he could land a huge counter hook on Mike just minutes previous for goodness sake.

 

How did he show that he was a level above Toney?

He gave him a very tough fight the first time around, but he lost the rematch comfortably.

How did Kalambay turn into a gatekeeper at the end of his career?

He lost a split decision to McCallum and then beat Steve Collins and Herol Graham.

Graham did lose his biggest fights, but he was desperately unlucky and certainly at the same level. He also beat Sanderline Williams.

McCallum wasn’t a gatekeeper, he just lost to very good-great fighters.

Williams was always a gatekeeper.

Sanderline Williams will never be more than a good win for Gerald. He decisioned him like most guys did.

 

I have a headache

 

How was he more impressive?

Who did he beat?

Give me his best wins.

Why would he have been a huge favourite?

A level above?

Based on what exactly?

I don’t want to disrespect anyone. I don’t like criticising guys who are/were warriors. But Mugabi lost to a faded Hagler and he was knocked out by Thomas and Norris.

He only beat low level guys.

He picked the JMW title up by beating a European level fighter.

How was beating a European level fighter better than Watson knocking out Nigel Benn?

Terry Norris was a fine fighter. And yes, Nunn knocked out Kalambay which was a huge shock. But the difference between Kalambay and Mugabi, is that Mugabi never had any top level wins, whereas Kalambay beat McCallum, Collins and Graham.

Kalambay was better.

 

No, it’s not uninteresting. It’s very relevant. Because it shows that the man was capable of mixing it with a prime version of Chris Eubank at a higher weight. We all know of the horrible tragedy, but he proved that he was on Eubank’s level and he came close to beating him. So there’s no reason to think that Mugabi would have been a huge favourite, considering that he never had a top level win and he’d been knocked out by 2 of the best 3 guys he fought. Michael Watson would have been a tough match up for Mugabi, as he was talented and he was bigger. And Eubank putting him into a coma isn’t evidence that Mugabi would also have done the same.

 

Yes, Williams fought much harder overall competition. I agree with you. That can’t be argued.

Mugabi and Kalambay were 2 completely different fighters. Mugabi was stronger and more powerful, whereas Kalambay was more talented. He was more skillful. He also had much better wins.

I’ve never said that Mike had a better win than Gerald’s wins over Jackson at the weight.

I’m saying that collectively he has a stronger resume.

Beating Graham, Kalambay, Collins, Watson, and then drawing with Toney, is much better than beating Jackson, Mugabi and Williams.

I don’t see how you can argue with that.

Williams and Mugabi weren’t top level wins in my opinion.

You also seem to be rating Williams whilst dismissing Graham, despite the fact that Graham beat Williams.

 

He wasn’t turning it.

He was laid on the ropes where Mike was picking him off.

I agree with you that it was a premature stoppage. I can’t argue with that. But to me, it didn’t look like it was going to go on for much longer.

I think Mike was definitely on the verge of stopping him.

Go and have a look.

I watched it again yesterday.

 

Nobody said he was turning it. McCallum turned it. That's not to say Jackson wouldn't of turned it again, because it's ****ing Jackson.