Rate these guys on your all time middleweight list

No, I didn’t pretend that at all.

You are absolutely clueless.

I have destroyed your worthless BoxRec based arguments.

Don’t quote me again on here.

I’ll probably catch you on a SMW thread at some point, where you can tell me how great Frederic Seillier was.

Run along.

 

I didn’t mix you up with Bailey at all.

I can remember all of our conversations.

I’ll find the thread if you wish.

Your ATG, SMW list is just as ridiculous and illogical as your MW one.

You rate Seillier very highly.

You class it as a top win for Collins.

You rate guys like Collins much higher than guys like Andre Ward.

You’re an absolute clown.

You’re very much like Bailey.

You debate by using statistics.

What’s known as a BoxRec argument.

Instead of looking at the skillet of the fighters and analysing their opponents, you debate on where they were rated at the time etc.

Only an absolute simpleton would rate a win over a C class Earl Hargrove, over a knockout of Nigel Benn, on the grounds that Hargrove was rated higher than what Benn was at the time.

If that wasn’t dumb enough, you then claimed that Benn wasn’t a word class MW when he beat DeWitt and Barkley in 1990, on the grounds that his belt was less prestigious than the other ones.

And then you went one further to complete your hat-trick.

You’re propping up Mugabi’s low level, thin resume, by highlighting his wins over Bill Bradley and Nino Gonzalez, who lost to a guy who DeWitt beat. Yet you still rank those guys over Benn, despite the fact that Benn crushed the guy.

So congratulations.

You can take the match ball home with you.

You make Bailey look smart.

I’ll catch you on another thread at some point.

I can’t wait.

 

There you go.

You rate wins over a faded and injured Benn, over the best wins of Andre Ward.

MW not SMW.

You said Benn wasn’t a world class MW at that point, due to the belt he had.

No, I’m obviously not McVey.

I’ve been here for over 8 years.

 

There’s a chance that I’m the alt of someone that you don’t like?

Ha!

I’ve made 33,000 posts.

You really are desperate.

We’ll have to agree to disagree and move on.

The debate stopped been enjoyable a long time a go.

 

I’m not sure why you’re still replying.


Read this carefully:

This will be the last reply to you on this thread and then I’m done.

If you want to reply back, you can do. But you won’t get one back in return.


I haven’t got enough time on my hands to be an alt.

I ignore my Mrs enough as it is without being somebody else on here as well.


Regarding Benn, yes, that was a typo. I meant MW. But it was you who said that he wasn’t a world class MW when he beat DeWitt and Barkley in 1990, as the WBO was less prestigious than the other belts. And I agreed with you about the belt. You were right. But he was still a world class MW. He proved that. Barkley wasn’t great, but he was world class. He’d recently beaten Hearns, and he’d also given Duran and Nunn tough fights. So it didn’t matter about the belt. Benn proved that he was world class just after he fought Michael Watson. Which means that despite it only being a domestic fight at the time, Watson’s win over Benn is a better win than any win of Mugabi’s. It doesn’t matter if guys like Earl Hargrove etc, were rated higher than Benn at the time. It’s not relevant. The quality of the fighter is more important than the rating. So Watson’s win over Benn, was better than Mugabi’s wins over Hargrove, Gonzalez and Bradley etc. Why? Because even at that point, Nigel Benn was a better fighter than what any of those guys were. It’s very straightforward.

Regarding Sanderline Williams, yes, he lost to every top fighter he faced. He has no top level wins. He drew and lost to Toney, and he lost to every other world class fighter he fought. So unless you’re going to count his 1 draw, yes, I was right in what I said.

Regarding DeWitt, I never said that he only lost to Matthew Hilton. He beat Matthew Hilton. I think what you’re maybe trying to say, is that I didn’t mention that DeWitt had lost beforehand. I’m not sure. Anyway, I never discussed DeWitt’s career. All I said, was that DeWitt beat Matthew Hilton, and that Matthew Hilton had beaten Nino Gonzalez and Bill Bradley, who you claimed were top wins for John Mugabi.

Regarding Mugabi, I never said that he didn’t beat any one top rated. I said that he never beat a top level fighter in his entire career. And he didn’t. He has no top level wins. He went into the fight with Hagler after knocking out B and C class fighters, and then he continued to do the same afterwards.

Regarding Seillier, yes, you’ve hyped the win a few times for Steve Collins in the past.


That’s it.

I really enjoyed debating you at first, but I lost all interest as soon as you started debating on ratings etc, instead of focusing on how good the fighters were.

I’ll catch you on another thread at some point.

Take care.

 

These are the only two that would make my top 20 (neither is top 10 for me)
Tony Zale
James Toney