Rate Toney's power

at that weight? 6-7

 

Anyone who questions JT's power, has never been ringside at his fights.

 

It was good and solid as long as Toney was properly trained....... See the fights with "Nunn and Barkley."
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Not devastating but a good puncher. 7 out of 10.

 

at 168, i would say 8

 

Toney is a good example that indicates that part of the power equation is often taught. Everyone talks about how it's God-given/natural/untaught/born with, etc. but the plain fact is that many knockouts and stoppages aren't simply due to hand speed and heavy hands. Precision, leverage, and timing have something to do with it... and Toney understood this.

 

I remember a thread asking for the best technical fighter since Whitaker, i said Toney and was laughed at

 

Good point - like this one - a tremendous shot

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-k1TllSSE4[/ame]

 

Agreed. Technique over physique, Williams never saw it coming-side note: the crowd should have been whipped for booing that bout.

In Britain when I was younger than I am now, those of us who couldn't afford satellite (sky) or cable had to make do with 4 channels, (now there're 5) on channel 4 there was a program called "the word" which was basically live music and tits (I was barely a teenager if even that before it was axed-hence I watched it). But somewhere around the time of the second Eubank-Benn fight (I think) they sent a camera crew over to the us to do a story about Toney and the thing which sticks out in my mind is 10-20 seconds of Bill Miller bemoaning Toney's small hands "my hand's are bigger than James' hands" he said. The other thing I vaguely remember is them talking to a guy who was meant to keep an eye on him and stop him piling on weight. The only thing he did on camera was down his mcdonalds milkshake through a straw and belch. Well done there handlers. Anyway, that I think is why there aren't too many devestating ko's from Toney, the torque was there but...

 

I was at this fight. I remember Toney being mad cause he was not the main event. Instead Hot prospect(at the time) Oscar Delahoya got the headliner against Jorge Paez.


Too answer the thread yey Toney could punch at those weights not a huge puncher but capable of putting the lights out. As you in this fight and the one with Nunn.

 

At 160 and 168, I'd give James a 7 or 8. He was a better puncher than he is often given credit for, and as evidence I won't cite the obvious (and valid) examples like the Nunn fight, or Charles Williams, or Tim Littles, but the first Mike McCallum fight. In the closing stages of that battle, McCallum is badly hurt, and could easily have been stopped had the fight gone another minute, he is on shaky legs. Who else ever did that to the Bodysnatcher?? Even when Mike was old and fat, and fought a prime Roy Jones, he did not get that glazed look. Even when he fought a prime Julian Jackson or was being outboxed by Donald Curry, he was pretty much impregnable to punishment. Toney had some serious power. And the way he knocked out Jason Robinson at cruiserweight proved he had power to carry up. Natural middleweights don't move up and total cruiserweights with one shot unless they have some real venom in their punches.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Do_hTRqOQMs[/ame]

 

BoxingInsider: Were you surprised at how well James Toney did against Jirov?


Freddie Roach: “No. He prepared for the fight. He did all the work. For the first time in a long time. It was the first time he really prepared for a fight since the Roy Jones fight. I kind of expected it. My hat’s off to Jirov, he’s one tough guy. For five or six years there, I wasn’t sure if it would be possible for James. After the Jones loss he kind of wasted his talent for a while. I am so happy to see him back where he’s supposed to be.”

http://www.boxinginsider.com/interviews/interview-with-freddie-roach/

 

Even Mccallum acknowledged that Jackson hurt him badly. But nevertheless i agree with you. Mccallum was very durable.

 

Curry hurt him with a right hand in the second round. If memory serves me right it was the second round but all I remember is Curry catching him with a right that Mccallum recovered pretty quickly from but he was hurt.