:shock:Y'know I was thinking of that very fight against Cooper too, but that was a seriously rare occurance. Like I said, Holy had Mike's number and he knew how to frustrate & discourage Mike.
nah man the Holyfield that knocked out Bert Cooper would have sparked Tyson Holyfield dominated every round except the 3rd and then stopped Cooper in the 7th. Even in the 3rd he was dominating early, then got caught when he was going for the kill, and then he dominated the end of the round
I wont debate Holyfield's talent with you, because I feel he something special, he was just so fluid with his combos and footmovent. Something we see very little of with todays heavyweights. As far Tyson/Holyfield is concerned, if they fought prime for prime, the fight would go down as Ali/Frazier good. These men were probably the best of their generation, at least the most exciting if nothing else. I just dont see Holyfield coming out on top in the exchanges, yes, Holyfield was never afraid of Tyson, but neither was Ruddick. Ruddick hit Tyson with the Smash, who many at the time felt was the most powerful punch in the divsion, and Mike went nowhere. So what makes you think Holyfield has what it takes to back Tyson up? Other heart, Tyson was superior to Holyfield in every other category.
He had a few, against Moorer in 94 and Bowe in 95. Tyson would of had his way with both those versions of Holyfield, and I'm talking the 96 version of Tyson.
I also think Holyfield had the beating of Mike prime-for-prime. He was a crude fighter who could frustrate Mike, he had a great chin and big heart, and the necessary skills and combinations to rack up the rounds.
I will agree with you there, Holyfield was one of the more fluid Heavyweights of the early and mid 90's.:good
Crude isn't a word I use to describe somebody who's unskilled, not by any means. I would describe Roberto Duran as 'crude', and he's as offensively skilled as any fighter of all-time, and excellent defensively. I use the word crude as in - well to put it bluntly, being a dirty fighter - as good as Evander was he did use the head a lot, he did frustrate and annoy fighters and that took Mike out of his comfort zone and his game plan.
In addition Vitali has never been floored by a punch, and owns the highest percentage of rounds won to rounds lost ratio......far better than legends like Ali, Holmes, Marciano, Louis or Dempsey. Indeed no man has taken more than two rounds by all three judges in any of Vitali fights. No man has been in the leads on the score cards vs Vitali after round three either. I'd say his resume lacks a great win. Lewis opted to retire rather than get his @ss handed to him on a re-match.
I went with 4. 5 would be reasonable. 6 would be generous. Anyone who voted 7-10 probablly needs to find a new sport to follow.