Rating Marciano's low crouch

I think LaMotta rolled better with punches while maintaining his aggression and in-fighting. He even did this while resorting of the back-foot (Contrary to his "Raging Bull" tag). That's the most difficult part of the style. Maintaining the swarming-slugging kind of aggression while being defensively apt. Marciano was definitely more unpredictable, but he was also a tad bit easier to trap, lure, and counter because of it. Moore and Walcott were terrific cutey pin-point power guys, so maybe I'm not giving Marciano's opposition enough credit. LaMotta may have not faced opposition that were as creatively cerebral as trap-smith, but I also can't envision a scenario where he'd get as caught off-balance and forward as Marciano was when Moore landed his "phantom" like right hand.

 

yes lamotta rolled with a punch beter than anyone- toney also rolled well- but that was usualy while he was anticipating punches playing possum. jake could get picked off easier than marciano once he burst into life and was unloading. jake fought out of a crouch but often used his forehead to sheild jabs just to get into position. where as Rocky was defending, transfering weight from one foot to the other and bringing his opponent onto a punch all at the same time with his side on crouch. jake was the beter boxer no doubt. marciano looked awful by comparison but freakishly, it worked for him.

 

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Marciano is imo one of the 20 best boxers to ever live. I rate his ability to fight an offensive fight while remaining conscious of his defense as one of the best ever.

 

Not necessarily better, just different. I think a fighter using this type of style has to be very comfortable with it, because they are putting themselves in the danger zone always. You really have to be confident in your ability to slip and block punches and to the get inside safely.
Marciano could slip punches with little movement as opposed to some others.

 

This is interesting, because i think the exact opposite. Leaving aside the exceptionally low duck, which Marciano does, i think he is the essence of what 90% of fighters should try to do. Hands kept up good balance nice crouched position and simple swinging with your body behind every blow. That is how i think all fighters should be taught to fight. And if you are not the most naturally talented guy, i think it is definitely the style you should emulate (although perhaps you need to be a little keener to initiate a clinch if you dont have the skills.

I am interested though, what style do you suggest Joe average off the street should use?

 

And what happens if they cant take a punch?? I dont see RRJ fighting like that makeing it out of the ring alive with a puncher Hell the style failed Ken Norton almost every time he went up against some one that can punch.

 

If they cant take a punch, they keep their hands up (like Rocky), so they dont have to take a punch. And they throw their offensive punches (like Rocky) before they are thrown at them.

Roy Jones' style was to keep his hands down and strike as fast as he can. He could also anticipate and get out of harm's way very well. If Average Joe tried that style, he would get obliterated by the first decent fighter he faced. If Roy tried a marciano style, he may not have been as successful, but he would have been still a World Class fighter, and i wouldnt be surprised to see him still dominate the middleweight ranks, maybe even more so than he did.

Do you think Ken Norton would have beat those punchers if got on his toes and danced?

 

Godoy had a better crouch than Rocky Marciano?

 

In their second fight Louis opened his face up like a can of peas.
Uppercuts from either hand ripped him to bits.
Marciano would bring his left glove across to guard and smother punches.
Walcott said he was not hard to hit , but he was difficult to catch with meaningful punches
Marciano, weaving right under his specially made, extra heavybag ,looks very impressive on film ,imo.

 

Here's how I rate it; highly effective. Much harder to hit than you would think and got tremendous leverage exploding out of it with his extremely strong torso and legs ...

 

I'm glad you said this left hook. I know previously we had an argument about the styles versus the peek-a-boo. It's different. I don't think either is better, it just takes different attributes to fight out of either style.

 

Marciano was still in hitting range though, if Marciano had lesser of a chin, I think Walcott, Charles and perhaps Moore would have ko Marciano. In the Charles fight it was a give and take affair with both fighters taking a beating. I think Norton may have last longer vs Foreman if he dance or could dance, I still dont see a victory.

 

Good concise, on the money post.