Rating of the Heavyweights of New Millenium decade

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  1. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Rating Heavyweights 2000-Present.........Goes by All around Accomplishments/h2h/historical signifigance/intangibles


    1. Lennox Lewis
    2. Hasim Rahman
    3. Wladimir Klitschko
    4. Chris Bryd
    5. Evander Holyfield
    6. John Ruiz
    7. Vitali Klitschko
    8. David Tua
    9. Nicolay Valuev
    10. James Toney
     
  2. radianttwilight

    radianttwilight Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Are we only including career stuff (wins/losses/etc) from 2000-onward, or are we simply talking about fighters whose careers extended past 2000?

    I'm assuming it's the former, but Lennox Lewis really didn't do all that much from 2000-onward, so I question his #1 status.
     
  3. SuzieQ49

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    It is only 2000 Onward. Lennox is one of only two Linear Heavyweight champions of this new milenium with victories over David Tua, Hasim Rahman, Mike Tyson, Vitali Klitschko this decade and in 2000 he was still close to his best h2h wise. He is defintley # 1
     
  4. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    If Hasim Rahman is number 2, where does that put Oleg Maskaev?
     
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    1. Lennox
    2. Wlad
    3. Rahman
    4. Vitali
    5. Toney
    6. Brewster
    7. Ruiz
    8. Byrd
    9. Tua
    10. RJJ
     
  6. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    Peter should be in there. He beat Maskaev (who could be in there as well) and pitched a shutout over Toney (who is in there) after a close first fight. His only loss was a game effort against Klitschko.


    I would also question Tua's rating in there, if we're limiting to what they've done from 2000 onward. Tua has lost to Lewis, Byrd, most had him losing that draw with Rahman and the KO was suspicious to say the least. He has virtually no legit wins over any big names. Guys like Sanders and Maskaev have knockout wins over top3 ranked fighters on this list and should be on there instead.
     
  7. Mendoza

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    Those ratings were funny. Rhaman at #2?
     
  8. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Your Rating of Klitschkos opponents are funny. Hasim Rahman deserves to be # 2. He is one of only two Linear Heavyweight champions of the New Millenium. Rahman also KNOCKED OUT ATG Lennox Lewis, the single best win any fighter of the decade has. He also beat many other Ring Magazine contenders of the era, and was a two time champ of new millenium. Klitschko was knocked out by journeyman corrie sanders in two rounds, rahman knocked out corrie sanders.


    Oleg Maskaev only beat hasim rahman once during the new millenium, not twice. Maskaev had rahmans number, but he did not nearly come close to accomplish as much as rahman did. Maskaev was embarrased by Kirk Johnson, lance whitaker, corey sanders. His sole win over a contender in the new milenium is hasim rahman, congrats but thats not a strong body of work.



    Naw, Peter went 1-1 with james Toney and I had the mccline fight a draw. he has alot more to accomplish.
     
  9. DamonD

    DamonD Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Really?
    Apart from the rounds where he had Peter reeling about like a drunk, I thought McCline did so little...thought Peter won about 9 of the rounds.
     
  10. SuzieQ49

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    if i am going to include sanders, ill have to include lamon brewster since he accomplished the same feat against wlad plus beat other contenders. Maskaev's poor body of work and 4 knockout losses in the new millenium keep him out.
     
  11. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    nice list, did you go by the same criteria i listed?
     
  12. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    You could include him also, he has a few nice wins apart from Klitschko. I know you think Golota is a ******, but many people thought he beat Ruiz and Byrd when Brewster blasted him Tyson-Spinks style.


    As for Peter, there's enough people who had him winning that first fight, even if it was very close.

    However, almost everyone had him winning the McCline fight, even on the general forum. He certainly did more than Tua, who actually did **** all in this millenium.
     
  13. SuzieQ49

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    I will never concede to that point. Peter ate counter right hands the whole night, took a boxing lesson from toney. I think I scored it something like 116-111 James Toney or 115-112 James Toney, cant remember which but a clear unanimous for james.

    Tua gets in on h2h ability, one of my criterias. he was still near the top of his game in the early part of the decade. Tua h2h is better than peter h2h.



    Sorry Peter is just not there yet. He is going to have to convince me more than just knocking out a 40 year old maskaev, or beating convinsingly a shot t39 year old toney in the rematch. Peter actually should have finished wlad off in there fight, he had his chances. Peter has good h2h ability but his accomplishments are still lacking. If peters guys like valuev, chagaev, potvekin, Virchis, wladimir rematch he will def make my next list.
     
  14. mr. magoo

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    I have to agree with some of the observations made by Chris Pointus and Mendoza. If these fighters are being rated by what they did from 2000 onward, excluding all previous accomplishments, then this list needs drastic revision. Lennox Lewis should not be rated higher than Wladimir Klitschko in the millenium era. He had too few fights during that period and being a lineal claimant is not enough to make up for it. Wlad's record from 2000-2008 is 19-2, including 13 title fights. Lewis's record post 2000, is 6-1. Lewis simply did not do enough after the 90's to be rated above Klitschko, using the criteria that Suzie has provided.

    Additionally, men like James Toney, Evander Holyfield, etc should not be on that list at all. Holyfield hasn't done much since beating John Ruiz in 2000, and Toney's overall record at heavyweight is 4-2-1. Rahman deserves to be in the top 10, but #2 is outreageously high.

    The list is missing important figures such as Oleg Maskaev, Sam Peter, Corrie Sanders, and possibly even Ruslan Chagaev.
     
  15. SuzieQ49

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    Yes I saw the 59 second massacre live. Dominating win. But his laughable preceding performance in which I think he lost to a Old D level southpaw like Kali Meehan was just plain right awful. I mean awful. Sergei Liahovic beat him, but Liakohivic is a very skilled big man, its a shame he let roided Shannon briggs get to him in the 12th round. I think Valuevs shutout win over sergei is one of the most underated wins of the year, valuev has improved dramatically. He is going to be tough to beat.