Rating Old Foremans punch resistance

Bowe, Lewis and Tyson were much better than Morrison and Briggs .. Tommy defeated George with safety first movement , he did not slug with him .. Briggs essentially beat no one his entire career. Are you saying you think that Morrison and or Briggs were as good as Lewis, Bowe or Tyson ?

 

skipping to the end but looking forward to reading other people's takes.

I don't believe that Foreman's chin got SOOO much better. But even from doing sparring, i know the massive effect that stamina and wind can have on your recovery. Foreman's stamina was **** in the 70s and by the 90s, he didn't blow his load in the first 3 (sure many have said this already and better than I)

however, you can't discount all knockdowns and knockouts...his punch resistance was very very good but he still COULD be hurt.

in the 1970s: 1st 3 rounds 8/10, after the 6th 3/10
in the 80s/90s: 9/10. Holyfield fight is a good example

 

Guys, no doubt Foreman was remarkably tough but he was even smarter, carefully choosing who he would fight .. there were a handful of guys that would have seriously hurt Big George and George never went anywhere near them .. he never considered Razor Ruddock or Frank Bruno either ..

 

i wouldn't have considered bruno a threat but ruddock for sure. Tommy Morrison was a good consolation prize but Tommy fought smart, not brutal.

wonder who else could have really hurt him...lewis for sure, tua depending, tyson would have killed him

 

Lot of trolls hanging around this joint these days ...

 

This is the most moronic post in Classic for a while!

An average girl if she doesn't train hard and doesnt use steroids never ever in her life lifts 90 lbs over head, let alone 160 lbs.

98% of average men who had never trained never lift 160 lbs over head.

A sportsmen, yes they lift that weight but we're talking about guys who train.

This post is so stupid that I can't believe it.

Frazier wasn't as strong as many other HWs but he was much stronger than average Joe.

 

Frazier happened to be very strong .. he simply had no clue how to lift weights .. his form was ridiculous in the competition and he fell backward .. Joe was strong enough to work the ropes against Ali for forty one rounds and Ali was a very strong heavyweight ..

 

Excactly. You can't be HW champion of the world if you aren't strong

 

Lewis and Bowe are the only two that I would bet on to do it...maybe.

 

Even with poor form, you would expect a strong heavyweight to have some element of success.

 

Look at the footage .. the other guys had weight training experience .. Joe had absolutely zero idea of what he was doing ..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUTxgTEdZTA

Let's make some educated statements rather than broad based gibberish .. Joe was spur strong through this legs and trunk ..I'd say other than Foreman he was as strong as any guy he ever fought .. he simply had no clue how to lift weights ..

 

I lift weights and I know can do the weight Frazier failed with overhead barbell press - I did a little more than that very recently ..... but anyone who thinks Frazier looks "weak" there is being ridiculous.
For a man who's never tried it ever before, putting a 160 or 170 pound barbell up as far as Frazier did suggests way above average strength.
Most beginners would struggle with 90 pounds. I'd be impressed to see a rank beginner put up 110 correctly.

 

Technique is important, but it is not everything.

Somebody like Jeffries or Foreman would do a lot better regardless of technique.

 

Yes, I have lifted weights for years, & this is absoluteloy true.

1) The average man can bench press 160 lbs. once, that is it.
2) An overhead press is much harder, since the chest muscles are not involved, mostly just shoulders & triceps. Thogh if allowed to use legs, the edfference is at least reduced.
3) Lifting strength is not the same as punching power or endurance, which clearly Frazier was much better at, & few could match or exceed him there.
4) His technique was poor, AND he had significantly more strength in his lower body, so it is testing only strength for one part of the body, not the lower 1/2 where normally 60% of muscle is anyway.
5) Sure someone like Foreman has a stronger upper body.

But the original post was both mistaken about Fraizer being weak even GIVEN he did not lift, had poor technique, & it did not measure his stronger lower body.

Overall athletic ability or familiarity in various sports has nothing to do with how good he was as a boxer.
The point betrays an irrational contempt for Frazier.

I know tons of lifters who could blow away Frazier, & some even the bigger weight trained modern HWs.

I'll bet that few could avoid being KOed within 1 round by any halfway decent HW that wanted to do so.

I fooled around with throwing weight from the ground to the chest & a push press overhead. If I studied & practiced the technique to throw, catch at end of the fingers, while dropping way down, front squatting it up, doing a throwing leg sissors overhead...In other words real Olympic lifting, of course I could do somewhat more.

My best was 245 to the chest, 230 overhead. Now I'll bet my limit overhead would be right around 205, with a bit less upperbody strength & not practicing even my horrible "form".

With no boxing experience could I have lasted significant time with any good boxer of some size? No.

And the biggest steroid monsters i have seen in many gyms for years...None would have a remote prayer of beating Frazier. it would be very unusual if any could avoid being KOed, even before the later rounds.

A couple of skilled HW bosers I knew-one i saw boxing-maybe they would have a remote chance, more likely at best they could go the distance, but i doubt it.

One was 6' 2" & ~ 265 lbs of mostly muscle, not overweight.
Think all that would make a difference?