Rating resumes

Great thread.

I'd try to rank Lewis, Tyson and Holyfield based on that criteria.

 

Yes, I'll then count his resume after Rahman win (the most points) and compare to his complete resume

 

Shall we count win over former TOP-10 contender who at the time of the fight wasn't TOP-10

Example: Holyfield and Lewis beat Ocasio, former TOP-10 contender who at the time of the fight was unranked.

 

Can we expand this a bit?

Win over lineal champion in his fighting prime +5 points
Win over top 3 contender in is prime + 4 points
Win over top 10 contenders in his prime + 3 points
Win over former lineal champion post prime + 3 points
Win over former top ten contenders ( up to 2 years past ranking inside the top ten ) +2 points

But resumes needed to be balanced.

I'd throw out fighters last two fights, especially if they were losses, and throw out a fighters' first loss if it happened inside his 12th pro fight. I'd also throw out a fighter loss if he was noticeably past his prime, and hit the steep decline in future fights, or retired.

Loss of a lesser fighter, a journeyman - 5 points
Loss to a fringe contender - 4 points
Loss to a top ten contender -3 points
Loss to a top 3 contender -2 points
All KO losses / near shutout losses on the cards an additional -2 points
Loss vs. a lineal champion -1 points
Draws -1 points
DQ loss - 1 points

It won't work out perfectly, but the scores would be interesting.

 

You guys always go back to those listings. Those ARE NOT the heavyweight rankings. RING magazine posted 12 different ratings a year.

It's the ANNUAL rating. Basically, who was still standing at the end of a year.

There are people who appeared in their ratings every year who, after 12 months, may not have made the final ratings because they lost during the year. (For example, Kallie Knoetze was rated ahead of John Tate in 1979 before they fought. Knoetze doesn't even appear in the 1979 annual ratings ... because Tate knocked him out.)

Boxing Illustrated posted ratings every month. Boxing News posted ratings every month. Ring posted ratings every month. The sanctioning bodies from the 1960s on posted ratings every month. (Before that, they were quarterly ratings.)

 

Lennox Lewis

Lineal champions - 20

Evander Holyfield
Mike Tyson
Shannon Briggs
Hasim Rahman

HW beltholders and TOP 5 contenders (for contenders - only at the time of the fight) - 44 points

Mike Weaver
Razor Ruddock
Tony Tucker
Frank Bruno
Tommy Morrison
Ray Mercer
Oliver McCall
Henry Akinwande
Michael Grant
David Tua
Vitali Klitschko

Other contenders - 18

Gary Mason
Phil Jackson
Lionel Butler
Andrew Golota
Frans Botha
Ossie Ocasio

Losses - (-3 for 2 losses)

Total: 79 points

 

Boxing has never lended itself to stats.

I know stat geeks like to use numbers in every other sport, but there is no other sport where the game or match could end the first time someone strikes or hits or shoots the ball.

The first time someone makes a basket ten seconds into a basketball game, there is never a chance the game is officially over.

You can land one punch in a boxing match, and it can be over in seconds.

Just like you can outland someone by hundreds of punches ... and get knocked out by one shot and lose.

And the sport has always had different ratings bodies. In some eras, one org or publication's ratings may have been seen as the best. In others, a different ratings group held sway.

Most boxers over the last 40 years have primarily fought who sanctioning bodies said they should fight, not who a MAGAZINE said they should fight. Hell, for roughly 20 years, Ring ratings weren't even mentioned because they'd been caught taking bribes to rate fighters in the 1970s. Their ratings weren't mentioned at all.

And you can't put a blanket numerical value on a win. How on earth was beating Leon Spinks in 1978 worth MORE points than beating freaking Joe Frazier in Manila?

Trying to put set number on a win, and only using ratings that benefit certain fighters over others ... is a pointless exercise.

 

Evander Holyfield

Lineal champions - 40

James Douglas
George Foreman
Larry Holmes
Rid**** Bowe
Mike Tyson
Mike Tyson
Michael Moorer
Hasim Rahman

HW beltholders and TOP 5 contenders (for contenders - only at the time of the fight) - 20

Pinklon Thomas
Michael Dokes
Adilson Rodrigues
Ray Mercer
John Ruiz

Other contenders - 15

Ossie Ocasio
James Tillis
Bert Cooper
Fres Oquendo
Frans Botha

Losses - (-17)

Total - 58 (too many losses at the end of career)