Rating the Champs (in 1994)...

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  1. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    An article from The Ring (October 1994) rated the then current 49 (WBA, WBC and IBF) World Champions:

    49: Steve Little
    48: John Michael Johnson
    47: Jeff Harding
    46: Hiroshi Kawashima
    45: Ratanapol Sow Vorapin
    44: Leo Gamez
    43: Phichit Sithbangprachan
    42: Anaclet Wamba
    41: Yasuei Yakushiji
    40: Juan Coggi
    39: Jake Rodriguez
    38: Katsuya Onizuka
    37: Eloy Rojas
    36: Nasarov Olzubek
    35: Wilfredo Vazquez
    34: San Sow Pleonchit
    33: Gianfranco Rosi
    32: Chana Porpaoin
    31: Rafael Ruelas
    30: Julio Cesar Vazquez
    29: Ike Quartey
    28: Al Cole
    27: John David Jackson
    26: Henry Maske
    25: Tom Johnson
    24: Tracy Harris Patterson
    23: Lennox Lewis
    22: Nigel Benn
    21: Julio Barboa
    20: Virgil Hill
    19: Orlin Norris
    18: Julio Cesar Chavez
    17: Michael Moorer
    16: Genaro Hernandez
    15: John John Molina
    14: Terry Norris
    13: Kevin Kelley
    12: Jesse Jame Leija
    11: Felix Trinidad
    10: Miguel Angel Gonzales
    9: Yuri Arbachakov
    8: Gerald McClellan
    7: Roy Jones Jr
    6: Kennedy McKinney
    5: Humberto Gonzales
    4: Ricardo Lopez
    3: Orlando Canizales
    2: James Toney
    1: Pernell Whitaker
     
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  2. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    47 (harding) is a tough Call!

    23 (lewis) is very interesting, given todays opinions. 17 Moorer, this was his heavyweight title wasnt it? Roy Jones Jr at 9, is a bit surprising also.

    and it goes without saying that 49 world champions (and it is worse today) is nothing short of an embarassment and is the reason why boxing is no longer the number 1 sport around, since a world title (or even a national or state title) now means absolutely nothing. And it is also a major reason why modern boxers, no matter how good they are will always have a question mark over their legacies.
     
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  3. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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  4. anarci

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    That list is not suprising at all , some of the greats or very good hadnt reached their peak yer or built up the resumes, like some of the other fighters they eventually passed up.. If you were to rank the champs today and looked at it 15 yrs later it would be the same thing....
     
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  5. PH|LLA

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    80 world champs today

    Vitali Klitschko
    David Haye
    Wladimir Klitschko
    Krzysztof Wlodarczyk
    Guillermo Jones
    Yoan Pablo Hernandez
    Steve Cunningham
    Marco Huck
    Jean Pascal
    Beibut Shumenov
    Tavoris Cloud
    Jurgen Brähmer
    Nathan Cleverly
    Carl Froch
    Andre Ward
    Dimitri Sartison
    Lucian Bute
    Robert Stieglitz
    Sebsatian Zbik
    Felix Sturm
    Gennady Golovkin
    Hassan N’Dam N’Jikam
    Sebastian Sylvester
    Dimitry Pirog
    Saul Alvarez
    Miguel Cotto
    Austin Trout
    Corneluis Bundradge
    Sergei Dzinziruk
    Alfredo Angulo
    Andre Berto
    Vyacheslav Senchenko
    Soulemane M’Baye
    Jan Zaveck
    Manny Pacquiao
    Amir Khan
    Zab Judah
    Timothy Bradley
    Humberto Soto
    Juan Manuel Marquez
    Brandon Rios
    Miguel Vazquez
    Takahiro Aoh
    Takashi Uchiyama
    Jorge Solis
    Mzonke Fana
    Ricky Burns
    Hozumi Hasegawa
    Chris John
    Yonathan Barros
    Yuriorkis Gamboa
    Juan Manuel Lopez
    Toshiaki Nishioka
    Akifumi Shimoda
    Takalani Ndlovu
    Wilfredo Vasquez Jr.
    Anselmo Moreno
    Koki Kameda
    Joseph Agbeko
    Nonito Donaire
    Tomas Rojas
    Hugo Cazares
    Drian Francisco
    Cristian Mijares
    Omar Narvaez
    P. Wonjongkam
    Daike Kameda
    Luis Concepcion
    Moruti Mthalene
    Julio Cesar Miranda
    Gilberto Keb Baas
    Roman Gonzalez
    Luis Lazarte
    Giovanni Segura
    Jesus Gelez
    Kazuto Ioka
    Kwanthai Sithmorseng
    Nkosinathi Joyi
    Donnie Nietes
    Raul Garcia


    funny how Martinez is not even a world champ in any of the big 4
     
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  6. GPater11093

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    Imagine trying to rate them. I'm sure not one person can claim to have seen all of these champions.
     
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  7. TBooze

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    Who has RJJ beat? Bernard Hopkins??? a 30 year old Middleweight contender, who has probably spent the best years of his career behind bars.

    You really telling me in 15/16 years time, Hopkins is going to be some multi title holder, still competing and beating the best at 46 years old?

    Yeah right!!! Next you will be telling me how George Foreman is going to regain The World Heavyweight Championship, 20 years after Ali, aged 45, against an undefeated champ...

    What next? A Filipino Welterweight, who is arguably the finest fighter in the world?:good
     
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  8. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hang on a minute here. The points you guys are making about the competition he beat are all valid. I admit it. But, what happened to all of these guys who are always telling me that you need film to judge a fighter and that is the main thing you need to know modern fighters are superior to herky jerky fighters of yesteryear.

    Here we have a guy whose speed was clearly off the radar, who must of have looked pretty good in his career so far, and he is ranked 9th. Behind a guy like say Kennedy McKinney (i cant remember him, was he any good?). Surely you would think of all fighters, Roy Jones virtually starting his prime here would really stand out and be rated really high here. I mean, we are talking about one of the all time great middleweights. Anyway, i didnt say the list was bad, just surprising.

    What the list does show, is how hindsight really does change current perception, massively. And of course what an embarassment to the sport it is that there is no longer such a thing as a world champion.
     
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  9. TBooze

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    I like them herky jerky veterans. RJJ looks like he has potential, but he looked like he had potential four years ago (1990), he has done nothing other than beating an oldish contender on a cautious points decision.

    Lets see how he does against Toney. Sure, speed can kill, but I want to see some substance over style.

    For the moment a ranking of seven seems pretty generous. As for McKinney, well he has shown heart and guts and unlike RJJ has surpassed expectations.

    He has got some unknown South African next...Bungu??? Once he has beaten him;), there is this unbeaten Mexican, the new Chavez, goes by the name of Marco Antonio Barrera, and thus far he looks good, and their styles should mesh nicely.
     
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  10. Boilermaker

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    Okay, but at least we all agree that Michael Moorer is going to take that pretender Lennox Lewis out if they every. Wonder why that is though, I thought size mattered. Former light heavyweights arent better than modern skilled giants, are they?
     
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  11. TBooze

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    With Moorer taking the soft option and fighting Foreman, it looks like Lewis/Bowe for early next year, once Lewis beats McCall, and Evander/MoorerII...
     
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  12. Boilermaker

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    Does it really matter? They are all second rate. When Tyson gets out of jail, he cleans up all by 1st round KO anyway!
     
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  13. TBooze

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    Rumour is Tyson wants a bite of the action from the Moorer/Holyfield rematch winner...
     
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  14. THE EXPERT

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    It would be interesting to see how these same fighters would be rated based on the end results of their careers. I am sure McKinney is not rated higher than Jones now. :)
     
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  15. Boilermaker

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    It is hard to believe that Tom Johnson, Tracy Harris Patterson and Lennox Lewis were a toss up, isnt it.

    Or Julio Barboa and Nigel Benn.

    Truth be told, i dont even remember many of these world champions. It is funny how some stick in your mind when others disappear without a word.
     
    Boilermaker, Mar 27, 2011
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