Ray Leonard: P4P Rating over last 50 Years?

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  1. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    A pretty clear #3 I think.
     
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  2. Hands of Iron

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    Behind Dooran and Ollie?

    How do you sort out Greb, SRR, Monzon, Hagler and B-Hop at 160, cobra?
     
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  3. SJS19

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  4. Hands of Iron

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    Cobra is a Hopkins supporter.
     
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  5. turbotime

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    Greb beat pretty much everyone he fought, either avenging the loss or winning the first bout.

    Then Ray should be the consensus #2. The next 3 are completely up for debate. But I'm pretty firm as far as who the top 2 are at middleweight. I'd love to put Burley in my top 5 some day :oops:
     
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  6. SJS19

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  7. the cobra

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    Damn right. He's behind that lot at 160 though. Now, take their whole careers into account and make it a P4P kind of thing, and I feel Hopkins should be right above Hagler and not too far off from Monzon.

    At 160:

    1. Monzon
    2. Greb
    3. Robinson
    4. Hagler
    5. Ketchel
    6. Hopkins
    7. Burley
    8. Williams
    9. Walker
    10. Tiger
     
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  8. jeffjoiner

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    I realize that pound for pound lists are highly subjective (and way over analyzed), but I can't see any way Sugar Ray Leonard isn't a consensus top 5. Realistically, a consensus top 3 is warranted.

    Personally, I have him at #1, but can appreciate the logical arguments presented here that place him at #2.
     
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  9. Hands of Iron

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    Even too much to overcome than:

    LaMotta (x5)
    Fullmer (x2, yes, twice)
    Turpin
    Basilio
    Olson (x4)
    Graziano
    Villemain
    Castellani
    Abrams
    Belloise
    Barnes
    Basora

    :huh jogging memory
     
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  10. SJS19

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    How old are you my friend?
     
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  11. Hands of Iron

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    How old do I look? :lol:
     
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  12. SJS19

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    If you're the one of the left, I feel bad for you :bart
     
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  13. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    Me too, Mo. :thumbsup

    Edit: I meant "For me, too, Mo." Because, I do not feel I deserve a spot on that list. Not yet. I did mysteriously win the vacant Regular Interim Pacific Northwest WBA Cruiserweight Onyx Belt Title, after opening a box of Sugar O's. I've never even defended it, so, when I do, we'll talk.
     
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  14. silenc

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    SRL with Charles, Robinson, Armstrong and Ali is in my ATG Top 5 list.
     
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