Ray Leonard thinks he can take Calzaghe

The Leonard who 'beat' Marvin Hagler weighed in around 164-165 at fight time.

Calzaghe weighed in about a stone above that for supermiddleweight bouts.

And that was the extreme upper end for Leonard and the bottom end for Calzaghe.



Now Leonard is the better fighter and has the best accomplishments of the two by far, but I doubt if he could deal with Lacy, much less Calzaghe.

He didn't have the power at that weight to keep Calzaghe off him.

IMO, he would be stopped mid to late rounds.


In fact, again IMO, I don't believe any version of Leonard would beat the Hopkins who fought Calzaghe.

 

You don't think the Leonard who beat Hagler could "deal with" Jeff Lacy?? Christ Almighty... atsch

 

I severely doubt that he could. He tried to steal rounds from Hagler. With Calzaghe being even bigger and having the speed and work-rate he'd have a bit of a problem winning rounds once his sharpness had decreased.

Calzaghe would probably win comfortably over 12, even more so over 15.

 

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It's possible, but there'd be quite a size difference.

And I'm talking about the version of Lacy that stepped into the Ring, confident, undefeated with the WBA and WBC belt, no shoulder injuries and holding a stone advantage on a past prime Leonard.

A younger Leonard had his hands full with Donny Lalonde, a man who would have given Lacy no worries.

 

You mean the Jeff Lacy who held the IBF title but never actually held the WBC or WBA, the guy who struggled so badly with Omar Sheika, that guy?? This is absolutely ****ing laughable! Yeah, he would beat the SRL who beat Marvin Hagler!!!!!

 

Oops sorry, I briefly mixed up the belts held with those of Kessler.

But other than than that, the points stand.

And I have little doubt that the Kessler Joe faced would be more than a match for the Leonard that faced Hagler.

 

Seriously, you think the Jeff Lacy who struggled woefully with Omar Sheika could beat the Sugar Ray Leonard who beat Marvin Hagler? I don't even know what to say to that...

 

That was a side point to my main point and not one I'd argue too hard either way.

My main point was, and is, that the aging, past-prime Leonard who struggled to steal rounds from a past-prime Hagler, would have little chance against the bigger, busier Calzaghe who faced Kessler.

 

Now, no way.

 

I'll take that as you realizing your point on Lacy was awful.

I think this is one of those dead-end debates, I don't think there is anywhere for us to go on this. I think you are making the common ESB mistake of not being able to differentiate between quality levels and eras, and I'm sure you disagree, so fair enough. Just because Joe Calzaghe may be the best smw since RJJ moved up to lhw in 1996/7 does not mean he is on the same quality level as the best fighters of a far stronger era. Hagler was past-prime when Leonard fought him, but that Hagler still beats Pavlik, Abraham, Kessler and Calzaghe IMO. The Leonard who beat that Hagler was not prime Leonard, but even that Leonard would still be so much more skilled than anyone Calzaghe has fought. Leonard's hands would be faster than Joe's, removing one of Calzaghe's only real weapons. Leonard would outskill and outclass him easier than he did Hagler.

IMO :bbb

 

I hate irritable know-alls like you......you're just an obsessed "P4P TOP 100000" list maker who studies things as if your opinion actually carries some weight.....your refusal to accept people's opinions is sickening and you're like the school nerd who could never not have the last word

Get a life, or a job.......one or the other cos you take this board way too seriously

 

You're right about it being unprovable at this point.

IMO, The difference in skill held by Leonard would be overcome by Calzaghe's extra size, strength and workrate.


While I agree with much of your post, I don't agree that the Hagler of Leonard-Hagler would beat Calzaghe either. In fact I don't think he would beat a 43 year old Hopkins.

A prime Hagler might beat Hops, but not the one that lost to Leonard.


As you say, these are dead ends, but fun to speculate on. :good

 

Yawn. Thanks for the necessary and highly justified personal attack, but I still think 1987 Leonard beats any version of Calzaghe. Just my opinion ****face.

 

I doubt I will ever read a Calzaghe fan say he would beat someone without mentioning the word "workrate". What a skilled Master Boxer he is, eh?

I agree, I don't think the Hagler of Leonard-Hagler would beat a 43-year-old Hopkins either.