Ray Leonard vs Clinton 'The Sheriff' Jackson (March 1981) - 'Ray Says No'

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  1. Senor Pepe'

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    After Ray Leonard re-captured the WBC Welterweight Championship over
    Roberto Duran in November 1980.

    Several names were tossed around as his 'first defense' for his 'second reign'.

    One name was his former 1976 Amateur Teammate, Clinton 'The Sheriff' Jackson.

    At the time, the 26 1/2 year-old Jackson, a hard-punching southpaw was still
    campaigning at Welterweight. Ranked as the #9 WBC Welterweight with a record
    of 10-0-0 {8 KO's}, Clinton was more than capable of giving Ray Leonard a tough
    battle for March 1981.

    But, when his name was brought up, Ray Leonard said, 'No, I don't need my ribs ruined right now.'

    Ray Leonard was referring to the time he had a sparring session with Clinton, who had
    knocked him down and out with a hook to the ribs.
     
  2. Senor Pepe'

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    March 1981 WBC Ratings.

    *** Ray Leonard
    #1.. Wilfred Benitez
    #2.. Jose 'Pipino' Cuevas
    #3.. Roberto Duran
    #4.. Randy Shields
    #5.. Pete Ranzany
    #6.. Adolfo Viruet
    #7.. Jorgen Hansen
    #8.. Luis Primera
    #9.. Clinton Jackson
    #10. Larry Bonds

    Ray Leonard 'turned down' Clinton Jackson, and opted for #10 Larry Bonds.
     
  3. Senor Pepe'

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    G-Man,

    A big difference between the hard-punching banger Clinton 'The Sheriiff' Jackson, even
    with only '10' bouts under his belt, and Larry Bonds.

    Clinton turned professional at age 25, in August 1979. He had been competiting at the
    (71 Kg) 156 lb. Light-Middleweight division, though he was still capable of making 147 lbs.

    Larry Bonds, a 29 year-old - 5' 11" thin-bodied southpaw boxer, with 'absolutely' no power in his
    fists. A fine record of 29-3-0 (6 KO's), but the Denver-based boxer built up his record
    on the 'Strip-Circuit' in Las Vegas.

    Larry did win the 1970 National Golden Gloves at (139 lbs.) Light-Welterweight. But he
    was not considered a 'dangerous opponent' in the 'professional ranks, but more of
    a 'tricky southpaw', and regarded as the 'weakest' of the Top 10 ranked Welterweights.
     
  4. D9Garrard

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    When you start these sort of threads, Pepe, it usually follows that someone (Usually that one guy you need a cyber-restraining order on) assume you are saying that Fighter A chose Fighter C because he was "afraid" of Fighter B.

    I saw Clint Jackson as an amateur and a pro and I'm having a hard time seeing him push SRL any harder than say Kalule. Do you think Jackson had a real shot at Leonard, or do you think he just chose an easier opponent for about the same payoff and reputation? And how common was making the easier fight for about the same money amongst even the ATG's? Curious about how you really see this?
     
  5. Senor Pepe'

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    D9,

    Ray Leonard woud have received the 'same' fight purse for any of the bottom '5'
    WBC Challengers for his March 1981 Title Defense.

    Clint Jackson, was 'too dangerous' as an opponent. Strong, and with good punching
    power.

    Not saying that Ray was 'afraid', but just calculating. As he knew Clint - and had
    sparred with him in the amateurs.

    Clint also split several bouts with Ray's brother Roger in Amateur Tournaments.

    'Light-hitting' Larry Bonds was chosen because, he was 'easier'.
     
  6. atberry

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    Didn't Clint Jackson beat Mike McCallum in the amateurs and then actually train McCallum??
     
  7. Sister Sledge

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    Leonard would have wiped the floor with Jackson, who was too inexperienced .
     
  8. PityTheFool

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    What exactly are you trying to say here Pepe?
    I've got you down as a very knowledgable poster so I'm a bit baffled at the road you seem to be going down.
    Please forgive my inexperience on the Classic forum,but it seems like you're hinting that Ray ducked Jackson.
    Do you really believe that this is a legitimate issue?
     
  9. Senor Pepe'

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    Clinton was older than Ray.

    He had more amateur bouts than Ray.

    He was Ray Leonards's Captain on the U.S. Boxing Team.

    It would have been a 'very good fight' in March 1981.

    Did Ray Leonard 'duck' Clint Jackson. ????

    He 'opted' out for Larry Bonds.
     
  10. Wass1985

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    Pepe dont you understand that fighters like ali and leonard dont have to fight the likes of frazier and hearns every bout to prove their worth??
     
  11. Senor Pepe'

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    Wass,

    Weren't you excited about the Ray Leonard vs. Larry Bonds Championship fight.

    It looked like a damn gym session.

    At least a bout with Clint Jackson would have been more competitive, even with 'The Sheriff's 10-0-0 {8 KO's} record.

    Clint Jackson was the reason why Ray Leonard stayed at Light-Welterweight in 1976, because he couldn't beat him
    at Welterweight.
     
  12. D9Garrard

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    Pepe, people are misinterpreting your threads. I heard you just say that the purse for either Jackson or Bonds was EXACTLY THE SAME. So I hear you saying that Leonard picked the easier fight for the same money, which is NOT DUCKING JACKSON. It is taking less physical risk for the same money, which anyone with any common sense would do.

    Question then is whether you think Leonard made the call or did Mike Trainer make the call and Leonard just followed directions?

    Curious also, did Marvin Hagler ever turn down a slighly harder defense for the same purse, do you think, Pepe?
     
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  14. Senor Pepe'

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    D9,

    All 'management decisions' were made by Mike Trainer, who was a brilliant manager.

    'Make the most amount of money, with the least amount of risk'.


    Larry Bonds was a 'safer than safe' opponent, and most boxing pundits predicted
    that Larry would be lucky to go 7-Rounds. After getting floored in Round 3,
    Larry did surprise a few, and hung on until the 10th Round.

    But Larry Bonds had 'pea-shooter' power.

    Clinton Jackson and the Leonard Family had many contests together, so that bout
    would have been a natural.

    Not saying who would have won, but Clinton Jackson was 'miles ahead' of Larry Bonds
    in the dangerous opponent department.
     
  15. Shake

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    Sounds pretty plausible to me. If the pay and credit are largely the same, why pick the puncher?

    Leonard and his team were smart when it came to match-making. That's not a sin. We're not all Muhammad Ali to take on one Herculean challenge after another with barely any downtime.