Ray Leonard vs Mayweather Jr

First of all you can go f yourself, next those fights were all entertaining nobody is disputing that. But the pedigree of a LW Marquez, barrera, or morales just pales in comparison to watching duran or esteban de jesus. The difference is night and day. We're talking stamina, slipping punches, throwing punches in bunches.
Hey but if you liked watching stuff like Calzaghe vs. Kessler more than lets say, James Toney vs. Michael Nunn then hats off to you. Good fights are the ones where you can't keep track of the rounds because of how fast the action is, and the aforementioned slappy vs. kessler doesn't cut it in my book. But again maybe you like watching less skill and less action.
But don't go bichin at me like I can't watch what I want to watch please.
Kiss my ass.

 

Gotta agree...much as Floyd is a rarely talented dude,IMO Leonard could do all of that and more...IMO he was simply better than Floyd in every category except maybe defensively..not that he would need any in this fight...Floyd throwing about 10 punches per round..Floyd would be the one to worry defensively..Leonard had serious skills...and I was and still is a Tommy Hearns fan...and so I hated Leonard's ass..but the skillz of the man cannot be denied..

I give guys like Roy Jones,SRR,Armstrong, etc the better chance of beating Ray..Floyd would lose out a one-sided points decision..if he can take the heat.

 

Matchups that i think would not be good for Mayweather I would take Leonard over him by ko he would take a beating by Ray,Duaran at 135,140,and 147 over him,Curry over him at 147,Pryor over him at 140,Meldrick Taylor over him at 135,Bramble over him at 135,Chavez over him at 130 and 135,his uncle had the handspeed and the power to ko him,Salvador Sanchez over him at 126,and finnaly Hearns would end his career with a brutal ko it would'nt even go 2 rounds.I also can name countless other fighters that would give him a ton of problems at all these weights,the comp that he has beaten is laughable,Marquez is a ATG but a small man,and the rest of these fighters are all even more laughable,a past prime Delahoya and a Corralles on his way to jail doesent qualify,he and Roy Jones benefited from not good comp and ducking everyone to their advantage,to consider either 1 a legend is ludacris,but atleast Floyd has a shot to beat Mosely and Paq,both Floyd and Jones are lucky they didnt fight in the real boxing era,Floyd will be fine as long as he stays away from Paul Williams and Berto.lol

 

Actually not really dude..I'm one of a very few who..for instance..think that i don't see any fighter in history who can whip Roy Jones from 147 - 175 prime-for-prime..Ain't talking about accomplishments here...just straight-up H2H.

Not even SRR I would favour over a prime Roy Jones..and this is what pissed me off about RJJ...the dude may just be the most physically gifted fighter to ever step into the ring...but he marked himself down by fighting nobodies for a long time in his career..Granted,it was not all his fault...but daymn man..the could have solidified his Top15 ATG staus for sure...if he'd crossed the pond and taken on Benn/Eubank/Calzaghe..anyone of those cats in their prime would have changed history.

 

Hey pal, Toney-Nunn was the first fight I ever saw live, in Davenport, IA when I was all of 12 or so..Oh I've seen all the fights you've mentioned and I'm not downgrading past fighters, your the asswipe downgrading current fighters.. And Kessler-Calzaghe was a good, competitive fight, fought at a high level in front of a huge crowd.. And Barrera, Marquez, Pacquiao and Morales? Oh yeah you right!! They really weren't all that good! Four HOF's all fighting at the same time, in the same weight class.. What a shitty era! Speaking of Michael Nunn, why didn't Tommy Hearns ever fight him? Oh that's right.. He blantantly ducked him, and Emanuel Steward admitted to doing so. So much for the good old days where the best only wanted to fight the best..

 

He may have been athletically gifted,but he wasnt very skilled it didnt show much against inferior comp that he fought,he had a ticker problem,something that would have been a factor if he fought 1 of the greats,people that were quick with fast hands and feet like leonard,hearns,spinks and,moorer at lightheavy would have been able to hit him,his reflexes would'nt have been enough to make up for his lack of defense and jab and when they would have hit him as you know the rest would have been history,very overrated fighter.

 

Ray was a more competitive guy and hit harder. Floyd is just not on that level. It took him a long time to step up and fight the Mosley level after Mosley got older. I still am not sure the Mosley fight will happen. We still have 13 more days.

 

The money wasnt there,thats why they didnt fight,I would take Nunn over Jones at 160,Nunn just got caught by Toney,1 of my favorte fighters,as great of a southpaw as Nunn was Hearns was very brutal on them,Nunn would'nt have had his normal advantages that he had over everyone else,Hearns power,speed and relentless presure would have been something he had never seen before,he would wish he was back in the ring with Toney.lol

 

If Calzaghe and Kessler fight at a high level then my argument with you stops here. Barrera Marquez Morales all great fighters, but they still ain't anywhere near duran or esteban dj for that matter. Congratulations you're saying that Tommy Hearns ducked a fighter. Wow you're amazing, does that take away from him fighting Hagler or Barkley twice, Roldan, or virgil hill after starting his career at welter?
Now lets start our ducking comparison with ........ hmm Calzaghe or....... Kessler. Where to start... you choose ****. high level my ass

 

Nah Tbomb, I think Toney broke him down earlier in the fight. Plus before the KO he wobbled Nunn pretty badly on a couple occassions. Toney got some vicious counter body skills.

 

Yeah your right,it just seemed like Nunn overcame them and was starting to look like the usual second to Nunn until that brutal 3 round stretch and then the viscious ko,he ruined Nunn,most Nunn fans should be happy he didnt fight Hearns,we would not want to re live the Shuler tradgedy.

 

Time to face facts bozo.. The era you speak of was considered weak to longtime boxing fans just as much as todays is to you. Its all perspective.. By the late 80's the big four were on a seniors tour, ducking all the young, good fighters at the time.. Yet you'll flame and ***** and moan abou todays fighters doing it..Sp stick a pacifier in your mouth, and go beat off the SRL-Duran III

 

Leonard also lost to Duran in what was possibly the greatest bout of the eighties. And he trailed Hearns until he caught Tommy's less-than-iron chin very late.

If that had been a 12 rounder, Leonard was behind at the end.

However, I'm not talking achievement here, but rather, raw talent, as I see it (And that last part is key, as we have discussed this before and we place different degrees of emphasis on different aspects of the game.)

Defense is an important part of the skillset, and Mayweather is better defensively than Leonard was. The shoulder roll and footwork are just a part of that.

And that's why the forum is interesting. We all have our individual takes on what constitutes 'good' and 'great.'

Anyway, we're in agreement that Floyd is not on Sugar Ray's level in terms of achievement, and that he would be easily defeated in a h2h match.

Redrooster would probably differ.

 

I see it similar to the Benitez fight. Mayweather would taste Leonard's power early and go into a survival mode. In a 12 round I would pick SRL by comprehensive decision. I just don't see how Mayweather could beat Leonard who was a natural WW his whole career as opposed to Mayweather who moved up from lower divisions.

Leonard all the way.

 

He actually was being dominated by Hearns,besides the 4th round when he broke his ribs,Hearns was the better boxer with superior speed and timing,with a detached leonard took 1 of the most horrible drummungs in boxing history,he overcame Hearns power and became the stalker with viscious bodywork,Leonard won that fight with heart and determination,Floyd would have never made it past Hearns power,to make it to the guts part of the fight,I've never seen Floyd beat someone superior to him gutting it out,he cried about his hands in the Castillo fight which he really lost,he doesent have the resolve to beat Leonard let alone the physical strength and punch output.