Ray Mancini v Edwin Rosario

For the life of me I can never understand why people see this one as so debatable. Rosario would have destroyed Mancini inside of 6.

 

I like Rosario by stoppage. Can absolutely see the other side tho.

 

Completely agree. Arguello was still a big puncher at 135 but Rosario was even bigger. I actually have him as the top banger at 135 ever personally.

 

The way to beat Rosario wasn't by boxing. It was pressure, and Mancini was really good at that. Rosario didn't have the chin or the resilience to hang with the kind of unrelenting pressure Mancini would give him.

Mancini had his flaws for sure, but he wasn't a clubfighter, as the more brainless among us love to prattle on about. He was world-class. And Rosario showed he couldn't handle being backed up, and if you hurt him he was done. Very minimal recuperative powers.

It's refreshing to see the change in reputation and attitude of many posters over the years, who before would have given in to the parroting of "glorified clubfighter" they saw written once and thought made them sound knowledgeable for repeating. A little more nuanced understanding is helpful. A decade ago, this would have been a whitewash in favor of Rosario. This makes more sense I think.

 

Rosario KO 5.

 

Arguello was a great, great fighter than moved up ... still a very big puncher at 135 but not the same power as Edwin who was a natural at that weight ... Alexis was slower, had some wear and tear and was more methodical ... Edwin faster, more explosive, faster starting and harder hitting at 135.

 

But what I'm saying is yes Rosario was technically a harder puncher than Arguello, although Arguello still hit very hard at 135. But Arguello was much more durable than Rosario, and honestly just a better overall fighter in pretty much every attribute minus power. And the hell Mancini gave Arguello for 10 rounds or so, Rosario would of wilted by that time. The simple reason is Rosario doesn't like getting pressured as @salsanchezfan pointed out, and his durability could be questionable at times aswell.

Overall obviously Rosario possibly could KO Mancini in 1st half of the fight, but Mancini was pretty durable and wasn't ever stopped early in his prime. So as I said before I like Mancini by late stoppage after some rough moments early on.

 

I think everyone here has made some very astute points on both fighters and how this would end up. Which clearly is up in the air with good points on both sides of the fence. I would never compare the Arguello-Mancini matchup to a Rosario-Mancini match because Arguello was an attrition fighter who would whittle away at your body, head and resolve before taking you out. Whereas, Rosario, I always felt, was one of the great one-punch bangers at 135. Mancini's pressure, which has been pointed out, was exemplary. I always referred to him as a grinder. I do believe he would put Rosario under undue pressure, but his head would always be there for a Rosario counter. Nicolino Loche, Ray was not. Probably the best comparison of a fight between these two would be Rosario's fight with Julio Cesar Chavez. I pick that fight because Chavez fought Rosario right in the pocket where Ray would be. Chavez whittled away at Rosario, banging him with everything upstairs and downstairs while absorbing Rosario's hand grenades. I totally believe the Chavez jaw won the fight for Julio that night because the shots Rosario was detonating off that chin were mind-boggling. Julio handled them and was able to get to work. I just don't think Ray would've handled them. Sooner or later it's Rosario by KO. Just my opinion.

 

I'm sorry, but it's a complete myth that the way to beat Rosario was to pressure him. Yeah, you can beat Rosario with pressure... if you're one of the top 10 best pressure fighters to ever live...

Mancini was not.

Bramble tried to pressure Rosario, and you see how that turned out.

Mancini is grossly overrated. Rosario would have smoked him. Bringing up the Arguello fight isn't much evidence either, as Chapo was a more explosive hitter than Arguello at 135.

 

Mancini still took alot off of Arguello, who is a very good puncher at 135, before finally wilting in the end. Whilst Rosario isn't comparable to Arguello, Mancini still showed toughness and good durability. Like I said there is a possibility that Rosario gets him out of there in 1st half of the fight, but I think Mancini's aggression and durability will overcome early storm and get to Rosario late.

 

Overrated in what way ? i would say Mancini/Rosario are of a similar level at their peak.

Rosario won a highly disputed decision over Ramirez that he should of lost, and then got stopped in the rematch in a highly entertaining fight. Mancini beat Ramirez by a very comfortable one sided decision.

Both fighters run Camacho close losing by split decision.

Both fighters lost to ATG's in Chavez, Arguello, although Mancini did better against Arguello than Rosario did against Chavez.

The big win for Rosario over Bramble is the stand out win, who Mancini lost to twice. Although the 2nd fight was very close to be fair.

Maybe Rosario has a bit more filler to his record, and the stand out win over Bramble. But prime for prime i wouldn't say much separates them honestly.