Ray Mancini v Edwin Rosario

Chavez was a much better pressure fighter than Mancini and Rosario almost went the distance with him.

 

Yes but lost pretty much every round and took a beating it wasn't at all competitive.

 

You're using Rosario's performance against Chavez as evidence he'd beat Mancini?

Interesting tack.

 

I appreciate your points but here's my counter ... who's the best fighter Mancini beat ? To me it's far and away Jose Luis Ramirez in a fight I always felt was a tank job ... other than that with all respect to his heart, courage, story, etc who did Mancini beat ? The answer is no one.

 

But that same Ramirez should of had two wins over Rosario, let's be honest Ramirez should of got the nod in their 1st fight. And Mancini did beat Ramirez pretty easily in almost a shut out. I agree with you that Rosario has better wins overall, but regarding a H2H match up between the two, I don't think theres much between them honestly.

I don't think there is a right or wrong answer to whoever wins, as honestly I could see either man winning the fight. But I don't think Rosario is an overwhelming favourite like some people believe, just look at their common opponents and outside of Bramble they performed fairly similar.

 

Edwin Rosario beat Ramirez, Howard Davis, Frankie Randall, destroyed Hector Camacho's career as a top fighter and iced Bramble. Mancni beat no one .. it's no comparison.

 

Yeah, Mancini's resume is absurdly overrated. You can reference the trouble Ramirez gave Chapo all you want, but it's not applicable because: A. Ramirez had a better chin than Mancini, and B. Chapo's stance made him vulnerable to southpaw left hands. He would have no issue at all countering between Mancini's wide hooks. Chapo's short hook, and short right cross would beat Mancini to the target every time.

Mancini was not in the same class as Rosario. It's a flawed narrative to think he was. He shouldn't be in the HOF, if it was based on merit instead of popularity.

 

Chavez is a much better pressure fighter then Ramirez was and yet Ramirez STOPPED Rosario so what exactly is your point?

 

What? Rosario dropped Ramirez and then tried to finish him off and got involved in a shoot out which he lost.
Mancini had a great chin- you dont walk towards Arguello and absorb flush shots from a sharp shooter like that for 13 rounds I promise you that.
HOWARD FREAKING DAVIS almost dropped Rosario remember? Rosario was more talented then Ray but Mancini was pretty rough for a stretch.
The problem is Rosario will get drawn into a fight and while he is a better puncher then Ray he isnt as strong as Ray is on the inside and Ray is way better conditioned. I thought Randall beat Rosario the first time honestly.

 

He lost to Camacho, got his ears boxed off.

Has no bearing on how Chapo vs. Mancini would go, but that’s an interesting take on history you have there. Camacho not only beat Rosario, he defended his lightweight title again and then moved up to 140 and won another title and didn’t lose a fight for like 5 years after he fought Rosario.

 

It wasn't his chin that was trouble: he had one of the greatest chins in history, never went down in 16 rounds with Jose Luis Ramirez, 16 with Juan Nazario, 11 with Julio Cesar Chavez, 17 with Frankie Randall. Those guys could whack. What really would worry me is his ability to take punches otherwise. Eg, his skin's tenderness for example. In fact, his skin and his eyes were the reasons he suffered many of his tko losses.

 

How close was the Camacho fight? Still controversial to this day. Very very close fight and i think either winning by a touch or a draw is spot on. Still remember Manny commenting at the time and later.

“The saying in boxing is that once Rosario hit him with that right hand [in a Camacho 12-round victory in 1986], he’s been running ever since,” said De La Hoya’s trainer, Emanuel Steward.

 

That's just a terrific post scar. Chavez beat him down but man did he prove his chin. It looked a lot easier than it was to some and here's some Chavez comments that put it all into perspective -

BEST PUNCHER

Rosario: Anywhere he hit me it hurt. Frankie Randall was also a hard puncher. [Against Rosario] it was my youth, it was the fact I was in my prime, it all helped me get through that fight.

“For many people it was an easy fight, but for me it was an extremely difficult fight. Out of the 115 fights that I had, with all due respect to all other fighters, Edwin Rosario was the one who hit me the hardest. He would land a jab or a straight right and I felt like he hit me with a baseball bat on the head. Fortunately, in those days, no one could beat me. That night was historic for me. My mentality was spot-on; I had trained like never before. Going up in weight was beneficial for me because I was struggling too much to make 130. I would go two days without eating or drinking water just to make 130. So when I climbed to lightweight … Aside from all the bull**** he said about me, when he insulted me, my family, this (feeling stronger at the heavier weight) gave me more motivation to give him the beating of his life.

 

Dude you lost credibility with your first statement .. just making crap up does not work.

 

Mancini also fought Camacho to a Split Decision aswell. And he has a strong argument to winning the fight, and all this after a 4 year lay off which is even more impressive.

As I said Rosario has the big win over Bramble, which is the standout win between the two. But outside of that against Ramirez, Mancini did way better than Rosario did in two fights. And against Camacho they both equally lost a close Split Decision. Overall regarding peak performances I wouldn't say theres much between them.