Ray Mercer v the 1900's Crew

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by mcvey, May 25, 2010.


  1. janitor

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    Is this a time machine fight or is Mercer brought allong in the 1890s?
     
  2. mcvey

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    Sorry, I did not make that clear a" time machine", metamorphoses the old gladiators to the present, give them a year to adjust to conditions if you want ,but no, "additives,roids,supplements ,or hypothetical increases in height ,weight, strength speed etc.The quartet ,as they were , in their pomp,tights ,thongs,combinations whatever.
     
  3. janitor

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    Then the 1900s crew would decide to stay here, retire from fighting, and pursue careers doing something easier.

    Now I preffer a Life on Mars type scenario where Ray Mercer is hit by a car and wakes up in 1901. With no other obvious conclusions he decides he has to beat the top four fighters in order to get back to his own time.
     
  4. mcvey

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    Sorry [again], I make the rules on my threads :lol:.
    If you want to go, "back to the future". Start your own.









































    ps I picked all but Sharkey to beat Mercer,still, if you don't want to participate, in a thread that has no hidden agenda,


    So be it.:hi:
     
  5. he grant

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    So not a level playing field ? Whats the point other than too much time on your hands ?
     
  6. he grant

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    Don't worry old timer, they will come by to change your bedpan soon. :hi:
     
  7. mcvey

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    Still continent, and with all my molars ,and still, far too good for you Sonny.
    You are in the prelim class.
    Don't try and run yet ,you can barely walk.
     
  8. mcvey

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    I have all the time in the world ,as I have a successful business , which means ,all I have to do is make the wages up once a month .

    What about yourself ?
     
  9. janitor

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    To get to the original question:

    Mercer is hard to place in fantasy fights because he could hold sombody like Lennox Lewis to a near run thing on his best night but look less than incredible on another.

    I suspect that Corbett would probably outbox him to take a decision win. Mercer preobably would not put together the fighjt he needed to in order to catch up with him and stop him. Of course Corbett could have his off nights too.

    Mercer probably takes Sharkey for many of the same reasons that Gus Ruhlin did. If he uses his range and physical advantages semi inteligently then it should all come together. His chin is probably good enough to close off Sharkeys punchers chance.

    I would favour Jeffries to beat Mercer being faster and probably slightly better defensivley. Jeffries could get the better of the counters, and probably has the strength, stamina and durability to wear Mercer down and outlast him.

    Fitzsimmons is the one that is hardest to call because he is something of a phenom. He is certainly going to lead Mercer into a few traps and hurt him badly. He is also going to be working against some of the disadvantages that he was up against with Jeffries. This is the one where I can honestly say that I don't have a clear idea what would happen while I have a good idea with the others. I verry much doubt that this one would go the distance either way.
     
  10. mcvey

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    He beats Sharkey, but gets dusted by the others.Fitz is too much of a precision puncher ,Jeffries , too much period. Corbett does what an old Holmes did, boxes his head off.
     
  11. Boilermaker

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    Tom Sharkey - Sharkey gets into an altercation with baggage airline staff at the airport and knocks out the carriers and security but is arrested and charged with Manslaughter. He is locked up and has to forfeit (anyone who has been to the US knows why this is the likely scenario).

    James Jeffries - Arrives without problem (ok he probably did have a row with the airport staff!) but he begins training seriously. He is spotted by an agent from the Gridiron Leagues, and offered a bigger contract, so he forfeits the match also.

    Bob Fitzsimmons - Arrives determined to make amends for the 1900s. I always say Fitz astounds me every day, and this is no different. He doesnt get into a fight with the airline staff. Or the New York taxi drivers for that matter! Fitz trains like a beast for the rematch, but in publicising the fight, today's do gooders make a fuss and get his licenced denied because he is too old (he is bald you know) and he is too small to fight at the weight in what is a mismatch. The fight has to be postponed, and eventually abandoned.

    Jim Corbett - The last chance for the era. Jim arrives with much fanfare and he manipulates the media like he did in his own time. Mercer sees a small fighter and underestimates him like he did in his own time with ferguson. Jim Dances around the ring and makes him look like a fool. Mercer tries to bribe him to take a dive mid fight, but Jim refuses and wins a lopsided points decision.

    Woops just re read the conditions. Not sure if the corbett thong would meet with modern standards and conditions. I see the Parents association trying to ban it from ringside. And Corbett says no thong, no fighting. Perhaps another forfeit?
     
  12. mcvey

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    Mercer showed in the Lewis fight he had a decent jab, he would bust up the charging Sharkey with it ,and since Sharkey was even less talented boxing wise ,his only chance would be to outmuscle and out hit Mercer.Mercer had a sterling chin, and was a strong SOB so that aint happening.
    1900's 3 Present day 1
     
  13. mcvey

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    Flippantness is a quality that does not become you ,Mr Jeffries.:nono
     
  14. Boilermaker

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    But Fitzsimmons didnt really have any problems at all with Jeffries (in the second fight where he actually trained for it, at least). Under modern rules, that fight is stopped in favour of Fitzsimmons, quite early. I cant see Ray Mercer beating Fitz. In fact, i am starting to rate him higher and higher. Interestingly, i just read an all time heavyweights ranking from 1975 Ring (off of boxrec) and Fitz was ranked in 7th place, ahead of Muhammed Ali! It also had one from the 2000's where he didnt make the top 20. It is interesting how important size has become in recent years.
     
  15. Seamus

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    This.