Ray Mercer vs Brock Lesnar

Useless thread...

 

First let me give Mercer all the props in the world, for as much as we **** on Sylvia, and how much he embarassed the sport of MMA, he has legit credentials even if his skills have left him. Mercer gives all you MMA haters hope, but in the long run it might very well just make you MMA fans; anybody who watches enough MMA will become a fan, its human nature.

That being said, Mercer won with one of the very few opportunities a boxer gets, at the start of a fight, after that any intelligent fighter is going for a clinch and a takedown, from there the fight is over.

Now, as for Lesnar, you are obviously joking.

Lets take a look at what happens when a boxer runs into a good MMA strategy, even when the opponent is terrible and so new to the sport he is almost untrained.

Tihgs to notice:
1) Kimbo has no wrestling background and takes Mercer down whenever he felt like it; Lesnar is an NCAA heavyweight champion who can take down anybody he wants.

2) The first 10 seconds are on the feet, even but slight edge to Kimbo, then there is a 45 second period on the feet that Kimbo totally dominates. He dominates because he strikes without making it a boxing match, even though he was able to throw some decent punches. The difference between Sylvia and Kimbo, is Kimbo fought the proper type of striking style against a boxer; Lesnar thought he could box with him.

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Notice how he even won the exchange on the feet because he clinched? Boxers have been trained their whole life to not deal with a clinch in a realistic way, they are taught to deal with it in a boxing way, holding and maybe a few punches; that isn't good enough.
Evidence of how bad Kimbo is; this is after doing real MMA training for a couple of years.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5ZxpbtcC8A

Seth was able to KO Kimbo with a jab/straight (not a pure jab, he was squared up), hopping backwards, on one foot. He did it in the 5 seconds that Mercer had the same opportunity to before the first takedown that he got up from right away.

Thats how bad the guy who beat Mercer so easily, even on the feet, is as an MMA fighter.


So the real question is, "how long would Mercer last vs Petruzelli?" The guy who dominated him couldn't last 5 seconds , so I suggest he do your final poll option and "surrender"

 

It doesn't matter what style you are it is about execution. Liddell has shown the success of boxing. His boxing is questionable but his strategy is spot on. Even Bispings boxing is extremely poor and he could always be on a contender level. It's the way these guys execute the style.

 

It does matter what style you are; your style heavily effects how you train, your gameplan, everything.

A guy who is just boxer will only train boxing, and therefore be at a huge disadvantage. For the record Liddell was a Kickboxer with a life long wrestling background, incredible MMA specific takedown defense, and abnormal power, formallly an incredible chin as well.

The fights still have to be fought, you can't just look at guys background and declare one the winner, but the guy with a poorly choosen style is going to be at a huge disadvantage.

 

Let me remind you that Mercer quit vs. Bonjasky after the first kick and he lost to Musashi, both were stand up fights.
The only chance Mercer has is landing the first shot he throws and knock Lesnar out cold. If he doesn't land, Brock will take him to the ground and it will be all over...

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Mercer would shatter that Glass Jaw in record time.

 

He didn't break his word. The fight was always an MMA fight, there was never anything said about keeping it a boxing match.

 

Just like he did an untrained street bum right?

Don't know why, but feel like responding to low quality trolls like you today

 

Liddel's s a karate guy, who took up wrestling and then, after compteting as a divsion one wrestler in college, became a professional kickboxer. His boxing by itself is not what allowed him to win fights.

 

It doesn't matter what style you are. No matter what style you are your execution is what matters. This means strategy, timing, range etc

Liddell is a kickboxer and Bisping is too but they show how hands alone can be affective on contender or elite level. It's their execution which can nullify a style be it wrestling or even a complete Mixed Martial Artist. Even if you use an example like Briggs or Mercer the points still stand. You can beat more 'complete' fighters if your execution is correct.

Modern MMA has shown the effective styles so there isn't such a thing as a poorly chosen style. All this Muay Thai v Wrestling v Boxing v BJJ is irrelevant. It's how they execute versus each other. Even if someone can fight in all of these styles the fight is still about execution.

People need to stop trying to come up with the ultimate style. They are all effective martial arts that depend on execution.

 

It is true that he isn't actually a boxer but he has shown what the execution of a gameplan based primarily on hands can do. Same with Bisping. Same with Mercer. Same with Briggs. Same with others.

Each style could beat another style if the winner executes correctly. There is not an ultimate style.

Agreed, Liddell might have a takedown defence etc but every style would need to be slightly tweaked to adapt to facing a different style.

 

Mercer is 48 yrs old whooping on MMA champions. Damn thats impressive.