Ray Mercer vs Deontay Wilder

You don't think Deontay Wilder hits harder than Jesse "Boogie Man" Ferguson?

Jesse "16 kos in 44 pro fights" Ferguson?

I think I'm going to start a thread and include posts like this for posterity.

 

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Lmfao. He was 68 years old there! Probably in the Klitschko fight.

 

Nope. And it wasn't against Klitschko. This was another time Mercer/Chuvalo got flattened.

 

Because he was old as hell, he had been in wars with Holyfield, Morrison and Lewis already. I'd pick Wilder over that Mercer but not over prime Mercer. Such a Wilder fanboy

I do not get why Wilder is hyped up to be this destroyer capable of cleansing every single era, im not even sure he'd beat prime Morrison. He was desperate against old ass Luis Ortiz, glass chin Artur Szpilka and had to dig deep to beat Eric Molina. Mercer isn't elite but Wilder cannot fight going backwards nor can he fight on the inside and he'd need those skills because hes not knocking Mercer out. Mercer would fold his ass like laundry

 

Wilder is going to be 36 this year. What's "prime" Mercer? The guy who won a split-decision against Ossie Ocasio? The guy who lost to Larry Holmes? The guy who lost to Jesse Ferguson? The guy who drew with Marion Wilson? How many Ray Mercer fights have you seen, honestly?

You certainly love to pick Wilder to death. Try picking away at Ray Mercer a bit. It helps if you actually watch more than a couple of fights.

Mercer was younger than Wilder is now when Ray went 10 rounds and got an atrocious DRAW with Marion Wilson. A guy who finished his career (12-41-4).

 

I'm going off memory brother, I remember him having good pop in his
punches, didn't go back and search his history as you obviously did.
I could be wrong .
BTW , Their are many factors in having a bunch of ko's, the main
one is competition. Eric Esch had 58 ko's in 77 wins, if were just looking
at stats only he was a better puncher than Joe Louis and M.Tyson
Devastating ko's are easy to manufacture if a fighter is fighting
weak competition. Just like D.Wilder did.

 

Then why couldn't that beast of a puncher Jesse Ferguson "manufacture devastating KOs" against weak competition like John Morton, Mike Perkins, Oscar Holman, Anders Eklund, Everton Davis, Tyrone Booze .. in fact he couldn't even beat them all?

The only guy Wilder didn't stop in a 12-year pro career was the current World Champ Tyson Fury, who he had on the deck twice.

How many times does "The Knockout King" Jesse Ferguson drop Fury in a heavyweight title fight? (That's sarcasm)

 

I think I'm going to follow William and take a break from the site for a while.

You can't even have a normal discussion about normal fights anymore without the trolls coming out insisting nonsense like Jesse Ferguson hit harder than Wilder.

How do you honestly discuss boxing with people who argue with you about stuff like that?

 

Wilder should win.
Mercer was a tough fighter but he's become overrated.

 

I voted Wilder in the end.

 

Im not using a "36 year old Wilder" so it's pointless to bring that up. im using a "prime" Wilder who beat grandfather Luis Ortiz, Also known as Wilders best win, or if you consider another fight of Wilder his prime let me know. Larry Holmes went the distance with Oliver Mccall and Evander Holyfield and put up a good effort, Holmes himself is dimensions above Wilder in boxing ability. Wilder might just be the biggest puncher of all time but he is extremely technically flawed. Poor balance, cant fight on the inside like Holmes and Holyfield and can't box at long range well like Holmes. looked like trash against bum Szpilka. Got rocked by Eric Molina and went 9 rounds. Got schooled by Washington until he landed his right. Went the distance with Bermane Stirvine etc. He's stopping all these bums sure but Ray Mercer in his prime had an iron chin and ate countless shots from Tommy Morrison (who was said to hit harder than Mike Tyson) and Lennox Lewis (who is also a big puncher) and you had glass chin Szpilka eat a lot of Wilders shots so im not sure he would stop Mercer. Also in his fight with Wilson he was overweight.

Ray Mercer was known to either balloon in weight sometimes due to not taking some fights seriously sort of like Jimmy Young or just not train properly sometimes. But the Oscasio fight is funny, because i easily scored that for Mercer 7 rounds to 1, the judges were smoking crack. Maybe YOU didn't watch much Mercer fights.

A hypothetical fight puts both together in the ring on their best night. Both on their best night Mercer would wash Wilder.

 

The Ray Mercer who beat Tommy Morrison and fought Lennox Lewis would beat Wilder

 

With the exception of Luis Ortiz ( Who never beat anybody legit) and Dominic Breazeale. Everybody else Wilder "knocked out" got knocked out by tons of other fighters quicker than Wilder stopped them. Tye Field has a higher KO percentage than Lennox Lewis. Does that mean he punched harder? Shannon Briggs has more first round KO's than any heavyweight "champion" so does that mean he hits harder?

Wilder spent this career facing D level opponents. That is why his KO percentage is so high. Also him knocking down Fury means what? Fury has a glass chin and was knocked down by light punching cruiser weight Steve Cunnigham. The reason Fury wasn't knocked down more is because of who he has fought. He beat a washed up Wladimir Klitschko by running and landing 86 punched in 12 rounds and he beat Wilder the hype job.

 

Mercer was knocked down by Holyfield. So his chin isn't even at George Foreman's level.