Ray Mercer would blow Rocky Marciano's back out change my mind

To be clear you are totally dimissing the idea that they gained weight to compete on a level playing field with bigger men?
Holyfield
Usyk
Byrd
Haye
M Spinks
Moorer

Usyk gained 25lbs to fight Fury.Why did he do that ?
Holyfield's trainer the one who said that is Don Turner.He made a complete ass of himself when he persuaded Holyfield to dispense with a cut man saying it was, an unnecessary expense and a con.Holyfield got cut and Turner couldn't stop the bleeding.
"He is credited as being the man who convinced Evander Holyfield that the cutman is "the biggest scam in boxing."[2] During the heavyweight championship bout, Holyfield suffered a cut above his left eye which kept reopening during the match, affecting his vision. The lack of a cutman is thought to have been a determining factor that cost Holyfield the match."

I don't believe your excuses and I don't think you do either

 

God, it would be awesome if thread titles had a 36-character-count-limit and you didn't notice when submitting it.

 

Was that Ace Marotta?

 

Yes.

 

I'm not arguing for him, I'm stating some pros and cons,as I said I haven't made a pick.

 

Why do you say Morrison was out of shape?
He was lighter than he had been in his previous 4 fights,
3 of which were wins over Vaulin,Tillis, and Thomas. He had won 4 fights in the previous 5 months the last less than 3 months before.
Evidence for your claim please?

 

Ask Jesse Ferguson and Marion Wilson what they think.

 

Mercer was out of shape for both those fights, 238 for Ferguson and 246 for Wilson.We are matching H2H's in prime shape.

 

My mistake. My message was one of Morrison had terrible stamina in general and a drug problem. Not that he was out of shape.

 

What does a cut man have to do with how Holyfield looked and performed? Ur deflecting. Also Usyk didn’t in reality gain that much weight. He gained some because he could gain functioning mass. He has to drain weight to make cruiser. So no he didn’t gain 25 pounds he maybe gained 10. If u actually read my statement I gave reasons y someone would gain weight I didn’t say they shouldn’t or wouldn’t to compete. Some gained to much weight. I even said in my statement gaining functioning mass is completely ok to do so long as it doesn’t disturb the other attributes to much.

 

IF he had a drug problem at that stage it hadn't been reflected in his results.

 

Actually I'm not ,my point which has obviously escaped you is that Don Turner is infamous for making statements that are not only willfully contentious ,but are unsupported by hard facts. If you want me to list some of them I will.
THE WAS THE PRESSES OPINION OF HOLYFIELD BEING PERSUADED TO DO WITHOUT A CUT MAN
During the heavyweight championship bout, Holyfield suffered a cut above his left eye which kept reopening during the match, affecting his vision. The lack of a cutman is thought to have been a determining factor that cost Holyfield the match."

I POSTED IT IN MY PREVIOUS POST,IF YOU HAD READ IT,YOU WOULD NOT HAVE REQUIRED ME TO REPEAT IT!



Usyk was under 200lbs when defending his cruiser title,he added 25lbs to fight Fury that is not up for debate,no matter how you try to spin it . Deflecting? lol
On another tack, do you believe Marciano adding 20/25lbs to his frame would have benefitted him?

 

Except Mercer fought Ferguson twice, once getting dominated, and even in the rematch (at 223 pounds), barely won a split decision (Debra Barnes 94-95, Joseph Pasquale 96-93, Vincent Rainone 96-93). His very next fight was a draw with Wilson. What I found interesting about Mercer's fights with guys like Ferguson and Tim Witherspoon (a questionable decision) is that against guys who had a good work rate, with either good enough defense to dip and elude and then attack/crowd him, or a decent enough chin to take his blows, they could outwork Mercer. Hence, it would not be out of the question that Marciano, with his low crouch, dipping, rolling, and attacking with nonstop volume, crowding in, could outwork Mercer and win a decision. Not saying that is what happens, of course we'll never know, but I certainly do not think it is a given that Mercer blows through him. Mercer might actually find it harder to hit or deter Marciano than people realize. (BTW, I don't think weight is necessarily dispositive of condition. Mercer was 238 against Lennox Lewis and his condition seemed to be just as good as it ever did.)

 

No I don't see him blowing Marciano away but its not impossible that he beats him imo.

 

Idk if it would have benefited him or would have hindered him. We just don’t know, I imagine today he could easily go 205 w out an issue but who knows. Once again Holyfield’s trainers would know better than u what his best weight was. This cut man buisness has nothing to do w the convo. I know he was a little wacky. He looks better on film at that weight and was prime for 200-210.