Ray Mercer would blow Rocky Marciano's back out change my mind

That 90 year old Holmes won 4 or 5 rounds against a prime Holyfield.

Mercer went through a bad patch in his career after the Holmes loss between 93-94, he got himself back on track in 95-96 as evident by his very good performances vs Holyfield, Lewis.

I don't think Mercer is some H2H GOAT but he has a rock solid chin a good jab i mean he out jabbed Lewis who has an ATG jab. Mercer also has a good 40-50 pound weight advantage and a 10 inch reach advantage over Marciano. Marciano has never met a prime Heavyweight that has the size/durability/power of Mercer and that is fact.

How is Marciano going to over power a world class Heavyweight when he's 50 pounds lighter ? Mercer took punches off of Morrison, Lewis, without even blinking. Marciano is going to run into a 230+ pound brickwall that his 185 pound frame cannot deter.

 

Marciano only beat two noteworthy opponents over 200 pounds which was a shot Joe Louis and fat blown up Light Heavyweight Don Cockell. The rest were journeyman fighters with losing records.

There's a difference between being a big man and being a good big man who's world class. And Marciano has never faced anyone remotely like a prime Ray Mercer with his size/durability/power as i said before.

I have nothing against Marciano and if he was in the modern era fighting at Light Heavyweight/Cruiserweight i'd rate him pretty highly H2H. But with his reach/size and aggressive style he is not suited stylistically to fighting big powerful elite Heavyweights simply because he wouldn't be able to over power or deter them.

It's a totally different era and honestly it's unfair to pit Marciano against fighters that are so much bigger than him. He should be matched up with fighters his own size like Bivol, Beterbiev, Breidis, etc.

 

Your laughing but what part of my statement isn't true though ? you're also the same person that thought Marciano would beat Wladimir Klitschko so that says it all really that you judge things on nostalgia.

Just some info for you BTW Don Cockell had a glandular problem that caused him to put on weight which forced him to fight at Heavyweight. Realistically he was a Light Heavyweight and not a genuine Heavyweight.

I wish people would stop with this silliness pitting Marciano against big Heavyweight where it's mismatch in size. Pit him against realistic opponents his own size at Light Heavyweight/Cruiserweight which is what he would be in the modern era.

 

Roids can't give you height, nothing can do that.

 

I can see your reasoning about Wladimir Klitschko beating Rocky Marciano, but this thread is not about that matchup. To me, the thought that Ray Mercer would beat Rocky Marciano is laughable. That is my opinion. As for that laughing smiley, I have heard that same excuse about Joe Louis, so many, many times, that it seems funny to me now (odd that he was ranked #1), but I am sorry it upset you. Feel free to fire one back at me. It will not upset me.

Edit: And I am not making YOU a sandwich either.

 

The two heaviest men Marciano fought he knocked them both out in one round. Both were comparable in size to Mercer. Not skill, Marciano made their faces explode…that’s how he would win.

 

The truth is there is actual proof Rocky could KO men over 200. His KO percentage was actually higher in those matches being 100%. He went 11-0. With 11 KOs. If u want people to take ur odd argument that he couldn’t fight w heavier fighters you may want to come up w proof. It’s an incredibly odd take considering. The evidence and history of the fighter. Ur technical breakdowns of fantasy fights that Marciano is just to small isn’t actually an argument.

 

Kinda feel like nobody's trying to respond to my arguments, lol.

Yeah, Rocky COULD knock out men over 200, but I don't think he's knocking out a 238 dude with possibly the best chin of all time. He went to war with Lewis, Holyfield, Morrison, Cooper, Witherspoon, and many others without more than going to a KNEE. He was seven years past his peak and Wladimir Klitschko, one of the hardest hitting heavyweights of all time, couldn't dream of sending him to the canvas!

 

Allow me to put your statement into perspective.
1.Humphrey Jackson257 lbs ko 1 13 Sep1948 on the 10th of Dec 1946 Jackson was 160lbs and was ko'd in 4rds by a154lbs man.

2. Bill Wilson 227lbs was tko'd by a bad cut.

The bout was stopped because of a deep cut over Wilson's left eye. Marciano concentrated on using his left hook in the brief fight. The crowd of 3,351 booed the quick ending because Wilson was a willing and strong opponent, but the fight had to be stopped because of the severity of Bill's injury. The gross gate was $7,102.
NO KNOCKOUT

If you think these two results somehow prove Marciano could compete on level terms with class big heavyweights,I have to disabuse you of that idea!

 

I can’t stand when people do this. Discounting cuts as though they aren’t part of Boxing. You’d better tell Lennox Lewis to get back in the ring with Vitali Klitschko I suppose.

 

He literally caused the cut. Was a first round stoppage. There is no excuse u can make to down play it. Believe he was 41-11 at the time of the fight and was a good puncher.

I understand Jackson was horrible. But u also had the 6”4 220 pound Shkor stopped in 6.

ur missing the point. The point is weight doesn’t make a difference in the outcome of HW fights. It never has. Skill and styles determine the outcome. I believe someone did a study on that and determined it was literally 50/50 on determining outcomes. In other words it had 0 affect.

The burden of proof is on others who think he couldn’t hang w bigger men. Every ounce of data and film disagrees w u. Every trainer whom had the privilege of working w Marciano disagrees w those who say he couldn’t hang w bigger men. His record proves u all wrong yet this theory that every fighter after his time was just to big is a take that will never make sense. U can talk down the comp till ur blue in the face but the truth is if bigger men were an issue for him it would show in the data. He would have taken longer to stop guys or not stopped them at all or even taken an L here or there. There was none of that. 11-0 11 KOs
Bill Wilson weighed 229 for their fight I believe
also beat Connolly who was 6”5 and 213 pounds in 1 round a ham and egger but whatever the point stands

 

Tommy made some serious improvements in 8 days.

 

Twenty five of his opponents were under 190lbs.
Five were in the Light Heavyweight limit.
Under 190lbs Marciano would be competitive with anyone,Dempsey,Langford, whomever you wish to pick.

 

You said Marciano knocked out Wilson,I corrected you,he didn't
No ,I'm not missing anything ,weight on its own doesn't make a difference, weight combined with class/ skill does!
Schkor had been laid out by Walcott in 1 round in his previous fight ,he was a journeyman.

I understand that you have to keep mentioning these names,because you have no others to mention.
Name these trainers who disagree with us?

Emmanuel Steward wasn't one of them,neither was Eddie Futch.
Your point fails as it always does,because you repeatedly and willfully say those who disagree with you are basing their opinions on size alone and this is demonstrably untrue .
No matter how many times you are corrected on it, you still spout the same nonsense!

I'll try one last time.
SIZE ALONE IS SELDOM THE DETERMINING FACTOR UNLESS IT IS CARRIED TO EXTREMES eg INOUE v FURY.
SIZE ALLIED WITH ABILITY IS A DETERMINING FACTOR.
You dragging out the same old sausages that Marciano beat as proof he beats a 225lbs, in shape ,class heavyweight with a top chin ,and excellent power,is a horse that won't run!
The burden of proof falls squarely on you, because those that disagree with you are saying
Marciano is unproven against prime class big men.
Those big men you attempted to cite as examples would not beat good light heavyweights!
They were third raters at best,and so beating them means NOTHING.

Can you now comprehend that?

 

OFFS! Look at the quality of the men! FM!

Lamar Clark might beat that crowd!
PLEASE READ MY LAST POST!