Ray Robinson NOT top five all-time

1. Harry Greb
2. Benny Leonard
3. Willie Pep
4. Barney Ross
5. Tony Canzoneri
6. Roberto Duran
7. Jimmy Wilde
8. Eder Jofre
9. Jack Dempsey
10. Carlos Ortiz

 

I should stop messing about or people will think I'm mad.

1. Henry Armstrong
2. Harry Greb
3. Ray Robinson
4. Sam Langford
5. Benny Leonard
6. Ezzard Charles
7. Roberto Duran
8. Willie Pep
9. Archie Moore
10. Barney Ross

 

Because, when you take away the fame and historical significance, he didn't do as much as the rest.

A lot would need to be added for Ali's record to match Ezzard Charles', for instance, who beat Archie Moore three times - that's the equivalent of Joe Louis or Larry Holmes once a year in '65, '66 and '67. Jimmy Bivins? That's like beating Evander Holyfield four times. The Joey Maxim wins would have to be balanced out by Ali defeating someone like Jerry Quarry, but five times instead of two.

This is without mentioning such names as Charley Burley, Lloyd Marshall and Jersey Joe Walcott.

 

It's got some good names, some great names, and a lot of names who are famous because they fought The Mouth.

 

No, it means little. It's not 'pound-for-pound' then. We are rating fighters for how good they were for their own weight.

 

Benny Leonard and Willie Pep, but in fairness they beat several contenders in the weights above.

Not sure about Carlos Monzon, probably just underneath Ali, as would be Joe Louis.