Ray Robinson vs Jones Jr at MW.

Who wins this poll??? SRR easily, because ESB rates him as unbeatable even at MW...There has never been a poll to my knowledge where he has lost...so far even though he is still in the lead I am surprised by its closeness.

Personally I am not a huge RJJ fan, and find he gets imensely overrated and termed unbeatable by many modern fans....But at 160 I think he is to quick and slick for SRR at 160. Taking a similar approach as the Hopkins fight (not because of style, but rather respect) RJJ would stick and move, flurry and disappear just often enough to take a boring but solid decision.

RJJ 8-4 typ on my cards...don't ask my to guess how RJJ would perform at 15 rds???? He certainly has the physical skills, stamina to flurish in those fights, but he is an unknown comodity in how he would approach the championship rounds.

 

Very hard to pick against Robinson, technically so proficient whereas Jones was not, in a way this is a terrible matchup for Jones who relied heavily on incredible physical abilities.

Take into account toughness, which Ray has far more, Id see Ray winning a series 3 or 4 to 1.

 

Its a close call, but Robinson technical ability is huge, Jones primarily relied on physical.

Robinson would have timed Jones in coming power hook with surprise ease.

If we look at Marquez and Pac, one technically very good and the other physically very good, it could show how a showdown with Jones and Robinson goes.

Pac has never been able to dominate Marquez simply because he isnt as good a bower.

 

Good points, although Id say both Toney and Hopkins got better later in there careers in term of 'skill'.

Its a real 50-50 fight, who knows, incredible to imagine.

 

Yet again people forget that Robinson struggled in a lot of fights vs even average middleweights in the 1940's, and even more so in the 1950's.

 

If there is going to be 24 hours between the weigh in and the fight (like today). Robinson is also going to be able to eat and add weight/stringth. Robinson's a savvy guy who would take full advantage.

 

He was still a Welterweight in the 40s. He fought many middleweights giving away size. He did lose to Turpin in their first bout but looked very fast in the rematch where he was more focused.

Roy`s stay at 160 at the elite level was kinda short though he was a super natural talent. He didnt fight a murder`s row either unless you consider a green Hopkins elite.

I could see this one going eithe way. Roy was more defensive minded and may be able to make Robinson look for him. Jones may be able to catch Robinson with counters.

On the other hand Sugar Ray had a little better skillset. He could set a guy up with the jab and put his shots together a little better than Roy Jones. Nobody threw combinations like Sugar Ray Robinson.

If there`s a knockout I think it would be Robinson with his hand raised.

 

Haven't seen you around these parts for years...couldn't resist a Roy Jones thread, eh?

 

I pick quite a few fighters to bear Ray at mw actually. But at his best he was close to unbeatable. Even at mw.

And you compare the versions of Hopkins and Toney Roy fought with the Sugar Ray that annhilated LaMotta? Seriously?

True. But on the other hand, we are talking about Ray at his mw best.

 

I'm not sold on Robibson's Middleweight credentials. Of course he was a great at the weight, but was he really that great? The LaMotta performance, as LUF put it, was simply outstanding. But Jones was a different animal. He was a shitload quicker than Jake, had more power, was better defensively, and would haves sizeable weight advantage come fight night.

I think Roy Jones was too talented a fighter to lose to ANYONE weighing 15 pounds less than he does. But Robinson has too good of a chin to be KO'ed. Jones by competitive but clear decision

 

Jones at mw probably wasn´t much bigger than Jake if at all. And Jake´s defence is quite underrated. Jones lacks experience at mw too.

And how can you not be sold at Ray´s mw sting but on Roy´s? Huge difference in quality and deoth there. And not in Roy´s favour.

 

Over 15 rounds SRR is gonna land some major artillery at different points in the fight can Jones stand up this? I can see him being very defensive and picking his shots but SRR was very ferocious and would fire fast, hard and very unorthodox combos that i don't think Jones could deal with.