Ray Robinson vs Jones Jr at MW.

I didn't say I was sold on Roy's Middleweight credentials, I said I wasn't sold on Robinson's, who blew hot and cold and was definitely beatable at the weight. I think Jones would have been bigger than Jake given the 24 hour weigh in scenario.

The experience issue is a very good point. How does a Roy Jones deal with the pressure of Robbo? Probably by pot shotting. But was he disciplined enough to do it over 15 rounds at a young age? I think he might have been, not in not confident.

Valid point. But it was only at the higher weights that Roy looked vulnerable, years after his best. I don't think standing a trading would have been smart, but I think his chin might hold up. MIGHT

 

i think roy becomes more defensive as the fight goes on, he never had offence like that coming at him and wouldn't like all the clean punches landing, although he can certainly do damage with bodyshots and this tactic would give him more chance imo

 

Jones was probably about as big as Maxim at MW, what advantage does Robinson have? Maybe jab but he's considerably slower. RJJ would be by far the biggest most accurate puncher Robinson ever faced

So you didn't follow boxing in the 90s I take it atsch

 

i guess a mixture of getting in closer and moving whilst outside, will score jones points tho

 

Fair enough. But at a fantasy matchup, you´ll have to use the best versions of both in the division the match happens. At least that´s how I always assume it works.

Yeah, I think Roy would look fantastic in the beginning but would succumb to Ray´s pressure, would get more and more defensive, his output drops while Ray will land more and more often. And at somepoint the right punch. Or not and he simply wins because Roy get´s too defensive and due to that simply outworked. Ray at mw knew every trick and experienced about everything you can experience in a ring. Roy was far, far away from that.

Yep, 90s was a great era for mw. But who of those did Roy fight? A "not-yet-primed" Hopkins. You are right. Clearly blows Ray´s mw resume out of the water.

 

You actually questioned Jones power at the weight though. On leaving 160 he had 23 KOs in 26 fights. He destroyed Malinga who fought on even terms with Eubank, Benn and your man Rocchigiani. That's just 1 name but there's numerous fighters he's faced like Thomas, Thornton, Tate, Wolfe who had never been stopped before and went the distance with Toney, Julian Jackson, Eubank, Benn

Robinson has never been tested by anything similar to Jones levels of speed, power and size (Maxim being the only similar sized opponent)

 

I'd think it'd be more than 12-15lbs unless it's a same day weigh in and Jones probably only gains 6-8lbs back. Either way that's allot of weight in boxing unless someone is a few levels below you

Robinson isn't nearly as quick as Jones either and walking down a bigger more powerful quicker counter puncher wouldn't be a sensible tactic. Robinson's best tactic would be to time his jab and right, look for errors Jones may make while making sure he doesn't leave openings himself and make it a chess match

 

Disagree.

It's not the same.

 

He also beat a lot of very good middleweights quite severely.

 

Still can't make up my mind about this fight. A decent argument for either man can be made.