Ray Robinson vs Jones Jr at MW.

Roy Jones didn't weigh in 24 hours before fighting Bernard Hopkins in 1993, he weighed in the morning of the fight.
And the fight was on Bowe-Ferguson undercard, so he was on earlier than main event time too.

It was a same day weigh-in.

 

:nono I never even mentioned Jones power. Stop making things up.

Hm, he faced similar powerful fighters IMO but overall you are right. Ray never fought someone like Roy. However, he fought much, much better competition than Jones at mw and had a vast experience which Jones lacks there. Pure ability takes you only so far and a fighter like Ray would be (more than) a step too far.

I wouldn´t even hesitate to pick the Jones of the for example the Hill fight over the Robinson of the Maxim fight but at mw. Nah, don´t see it.

 

'and how can you not be sold at Ray´s mw sting but on Roy´s?'

What about the Jones of the Toney fight, the fight after he left the division?

 

Ah, okay, my fault. I misspelled. I, of course meant, "sint" not "sting" as you could have seen from the post I answered to. But anyway, sorry.

Was not at mw last time I checked. And sorry but the Toney he faced is not in anyway comparable to Robinson.

 

No it wasn't but would the Jones of November 1994 at 168 be significantly better than the Jones of May 1994 at 160? And if not why?

Toney isn't the same as Robinson's but it's widely considered an excellent performance. Plus you didn't answer the Q

 

I doubt Jones even weighed 165 in the ring against Hopkins.
He weighed in at 159 1/2 in the morning.

 

I'd say it doesn't exist.

 

Jones was better due to 168 beeing more his natural weight. It was an excellent performance for sure but IMO it looks even better than it actually was due to Jones´style advantage and Toney beeing weight-drained. Nevertheless, great performance. Not as good as Robinson´s best mw performance though against a fighter of similar size (weight-wise) to Jones.

Jones would still lack experience, he´d have a bigger weight advantage though. Would that be enough. Don´t know but doubt it. Thing is Jones chin is dentable and he is in with biggest offensive machine in boxing history. That spells trouble. Jones won´t blast out Robinson, he has too good of a defence and chin and Jones would have too much respect for his offense to even try. This means Jones will fight a defensive fight, potshot, stick and move, trying to avoid Robinson´s offense. Not possible. Robinson will land and he will hurt Jones and if he does he will end it.

You´ll never agree with me, so already in advance: agree to disagree. :good

 

No Jones is quicker and has the better defence. Robinson had razor close fights with quicker better defensive fighters like Galivan and Tommy Bell. Both of those fights were razor thin decisions, the Bell fight was boo'ed as witnessed by our own John Garfield

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And it's not really a stretch, fighters cut water before fights, if you set in the sauna and stop drinking water a day before the fight you can cut allot of weight. Most MWs today put on 10lbs or more, even Martinez comes in at 172

Burley and Lloyd Marshall seem stylistically the most similar to Jones in the era but he didn't fight them. I think Galivan and Tommy Bell may have had the quickest hands and best defence out of Robinson's opponents

Jones is allot quicker than Robinson with single shots

:good

 

all this is true but jones was not limited to pot shotting. at 160 and 168 he showed the ability to throw massive combinations. accurate, hard combinations. not predicting a winner (yet) and gun to my head i'll lean towards robinson but jones had underrated adaptibility and skill

 

Don't be so sure that Robinson wins. Roy was ****ing awesome and way beyond gangsta. Roy has only been KO'd in his twilight years and only by light heavies and bigger, same as Ray. Don't think a Gene Fullmer Ko loss would happen in any scenerio.

 

Robinson struggled more often than not at middleweight. It's quite different looking great against someone slow, clumsy, average-skilled and light-punching like LaMotta or Maxim, than when facing someone like Jones. Robinson didn't improve compared to his previous fights with LaMotta (where he struggled hard), it's LaMotta who deteriorated.