Ray Robinson vs Rocky Graziano

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  1. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Holy smoke - What a right hand to end things here in the third round. Admittedly, and this might sting for a few of you here, this was the first ever Ray Robinson fight I've seen in it's entirety. I was impressed with a lot of things performed by the so-called Greatest of all time, notably how he'd double up on his left hook - which I presume was his greatest punch? Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. Still, he was controlling things fairly comfortably up until that absolute peach of a right hand. Graziano was cooked. The super fast combination/flurries of Robinson was also impressive. I've often wonder if the footage was sped up because of how violently fast he would throw his hooks. Never looked clumsy or ugly though, Graziano was out of his depth.
     
  2. Xplosive

    Xplosive Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Robinson's hands were like machine guns.
     
  3. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    apparently graziano was terrified of getting in the ring with robinson......no wonder although he did deck the sugarman
     
  4. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He didn't seem terrified in the ring though. Walked right into Robinson's firepower with his usual style and did his best to attempt to rough Sugar Ray up. Unfortunately for him, he also walked into one of the best right hands ever thrown.

    I don't think the knockdown of Robinson was much, I'm not sure if I'd even call it a knockdown.

    The Robinson-Graziano fight is always a good one to start with when evaluating Robinson. It's easily available in its entirety and in good quality as well, filmed from two different camera angles. The fight only lasts 3 rounds, not overly long, but you basically see what Robinson is made of.

    Here's fight from a different camera angle:

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-l2PC5It1HI[/ame]

    Robinson downed at 7:25 and the big right hand KO at 8:10

    Of course it's always interesting to see what the fighters themselves thought of the match-up:

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iCB5zTNeA8[/ame]
     
  5. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    watching the old adversaries is absolutely priceless.
    "why didn't you stand still so i could hit you"
     
  6. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Did you see Graziano's mouth piece sailing out?
     
  7. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    I'd hardly call it a legitimate knockdown. Sure, he went down on the end of a punch but it was clearly a balance issue. Robinson was up on his feet in a split second, and the referee didn't even give a count. Ray destroyed him.
     
  8. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    robinson never denied being knocked down,saying the punch hit him on the neck.
    a bit like the punch that juan roldan supposedly put hagler down with.
     
  9. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Maybe so, but was Robinson put on the deck as a result of being hurt? Absolutely not. Graziano was never really in the fight, and he didn't even try and jump on Ray because he knew himself it was just a balance thing. Ray would rate very highly in the hand speed department based on this performance and other footage that I've seen. The guy was like a whirlwind when hooking.
     
  10. bladerunner

    bladerunner El Intocable Full Member

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    Check out this KO.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCFzEPwnwtY&feature=PlayList&p=74CBE60C476AEF3C&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=26[/ame]
     
  11. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Ray Robinson threw an amazing left hook cum uppercut

    the angle was superb it was just out of your vision then your hit with this on the neck-chin area was absouloute class and like his left hook hed double up on these whipping blows with some speed.
     
  12. MrMarvel

    MrMarvel Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Perfect technique. Right hand smash. Brutal.
     
  13. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    A couple of classic Ray Robinson combinations:


    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEM6aKS91JY[/ame]


    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4eTzPo-VvE[/ame]


    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eii8eFAIKJQ[/ame]


    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nzCPUhIpSU[/ame]
     
  14. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Yes, Robinson at the end of his prime yrs, Graziano was a feared, crude, slugger, a force to be reckoned with in any era, I think only Tony Zale had KO`d him prior in their trilogy (could be wrong there) & Rocky still managed to KO Zale in one of those fights but its a different game in there with a man who can match up to every style, who was as fluid, fast, determined, accurate & powerful as Ray Robinson.

    There is good footage of Robinson out there, the man had & DID it all, he is the best fighter ever, no doubt in my mind... you must check out SRR-JLM 6, the artistry is amazing, Muhammad Ali used to watch that fight repeatedly & study SRRs movements, how he played matador to Jake`s bull then struck like a ruthless assassin when the bull was ready to be taken.

    Its amazing that a boxer with such style in the ring could unleash one punch KO`s like he did, punches that Tyson or Louis would picture frame in their own livingroom if they had did such things.... that straight right to KO Graziano (as above, cheers for that, love that punch :thumbsup) & that perfect left hook to KO Fulmer for the 1st & only time in Gene`s career.

    Ps. just watch Rocky`s gumshield fly out of the ring, fabulous.

    Ray Robinson was indeed Mr pound 4 pound :good
     
  15. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You would be right.

    Here's Graziano fighting the competent Tony Janiro for the third time a couple of months before getting a shot at Robinson's middleweight title:

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u50jBG0MXbQ[/ame]

    Shows he could take out a man even in the very last round of a fight.