Ray Robinson vs Roy Jones, Jr @middleweight: Do you agree with this article

No I think it may be more of a tactical fight. SRR was a bit more of a warrior and he would probably force the fight and Roy would try and play off of that. I don't recall Jones using his jab as much as that article suggested.

 

Walker smith eats roy jones lunch

 

Roy Jones goes 15 rounds with Sugar Ray Robinson?....talk about a "fantasy" fight!!! SRR's left hook for Gene Fullmer vs. Jones' chin..."Goodnight!!!"

 

What ignorance, couldnt you have atleast picked an opponent of SRR who atleast slightly resembled RJJ?

Yeah we get it oldtimer.....
and rocky marciano knocks out Lennox Lewis and wlad klitschko because the right hand that knocked out 40 year old walcott would put those big glass jawed bums to sleep LOL

 

I actually think Fullmer was a tougher fight for Robinson than Jones would have been. Fullmer had an iron chin (Jones didnt), was very strong, and fought in a style thats poison for an aging fighter like Robinson.

 

You rarely hear about this match up as I always thought the outcome was obvious. Jones is too big and athletic imo for Robinson and stronger. Robinson has to knock him out, which is highly unlikely prime Jones

 

I thought Jones used his jab pretty sparingly in actual fights.
Jones has the talent to go at it with anyone but I'm not sure his chin would hold up as well as this scenario envisages.

 

Why does Robinson have to knock Jones out to win? Robinson is one of the greatest most well rounded fighters in history. Hes the same height as Jones, has 1.5 inch less reach (marginal discrepency at best), and the idea that Jones is faster is highly debateable. He certainly isnt as skilled and certainly never fought anyone as good or experienced as Robinson at any weight. I dont think strength makes a lick of difference as Robinson fought some of the strongest middleweights in history. I think far more than Robinson having to win by KO its Jones who has the much narrower path to victory. Robinson showed that he could defeat fighters numerous ways from all sizes, styles, etc. Jones on the other hand was as carefully matched as any so called great in history. Hes the prime example of why modern fighters accomplishments shouldnt be compared with greats like Armstrong, Robinson, Greb, and others. Im not even sure Jones beats several of Robinsons less heralded contemporaries much less the great Sugar Ray. Robimson would be too smart, too experienced, and too dangerous. Hed take Jones into deep water and drown him and thats without saying "does Jones have to weigh in on the same day as the fight?" "Is the fight 15 rounds?" "Does Jones get to take his steroids?" Lol, see, start making Jones fight under Robinsons conditions and that glass jaw of his starts sparkling like a tiffany target.

 

I agree that Jones is certainly the naturally bigger man. When he was around `54 he was also pretty green as a pro. Robinson would have a huge advantage in experience. As far as speed goes I think it`s a wash. If were talking about the pre retirement Sugar Ray from the early 50s.

 

Ray could definitely have beaten Roy. But you're never going to have an objective debate regarding Roy's career.

I've got no issue with anyone labelling Ray as the G.O.A.T. But Ray was at his best at WW.

It's similar to looking at a fantasy fight between SRL and Roy. Ray ranks higher, but H2H at MW, Roy would have been favoured due to his speed and size.

In a fantasy fight, there's too many variables to look at what may have happened if the modern fighter fought in the past great's era, and the past great fought in the modern fighter's era. The only thing to do is to look at a time machine fight.

Take the best versions of each guy at the weight.

Roy would have been just as fast, if not faster, and he'd have been naturally bigger and stronger, as well as obviously being heavier. Ray used to fight as a WW in the days of same day weigh-ins.

Ray was a genius in the ring. You could never count him out. But I think Roy would had to have been favoured.

Roy was not carefully matched at all. I've debunked that myth on numerous occasions.

Which of Ray's opponents do you think could/would have beaten Roy?

 

Lol. Im glad that in your own imaginary world youve debunked the idea that Jones was carefully matched. Unfortunately for you I lived through Jones' entire career and remember well him going into semi retirement post Toney. After Toney his entire career until Tarver is a victory lap. You didnt get the Roycott and HBO, his own parent network, criticising him on a regular basis because he was fighting the best. The guy has the longest list of "missed opportunities" of any modern so called champion. Roy Jones is the absolute definition of an overhyped, protected, cherry picking, steroid using paper champion who hid behind an enabling HBO contract, bilking his moronic fans who get distracted by shiny bling rather than substance. You know the same guys who have $5,000 dollar rims on an 87 Cutlass parked in front of their run down trailer. Im glad to know a genius like that has disproved that Jones was carefully matched....