Ray Robinson vs Roy Jones, Jr @middleweight: Do you agree with this article

You might have a good point there about Jones Jr. "post Toney" but up to and including Toney he's got an impressive enough 27-0 record.
His win over Toney was very very good.
His win over Hopkins was clear.
He destroyed Sugar Boy Malinga who had given both Benn and Eubank close fights (probably unlucky to get the decisions).
He easily beat tough Jorge Castro who went on to win the WBA middleweight title.

Post-Toney, I think Montell Griffin was a legit light-heavy challenger. Correctly DQ'd in the first match, there was absolute no doubt about Jones's superiority in the rematch.

 

You're a joke.

You don't know anything.

There is no imaginary world.

Roy beat the best guy at SMW.

He beat the majority of the best fighters at LHW, with the exception of Dariusz. Go and check the rankings.

The "Roycott" was by a small section of fans who had no idea what was happening behind the scenes.

Tell me these missed opportunities. And I don't want a list of guys who he didn't fight, tell me specifically about the opportunities.

Kerry Davis and Mark Taffet of HBO, are both on record saying that HBO and Roy's team worked tirelessly to try and secure fights against Dariusz and Bernard. Roy wanted to fight Dariusz, but he didn't want to take 3 belts over to Germany. And who could blame him? Look at some of Ottke's fights. Look how Dariusz pathetically feigned injury to get Roch disqualified. Dariusz said he was willing to go to the U.S. but his promoter would never sit down with HBO, and they flatly refused the offer of a double header which would have showcased Dariusz to the U.S. fans. They simply weren't interested. Regarding Bernard, HBO offered him $6m, and a comeback fight on the network had he have lost. But Bernard demanded $10m or no fight. He then spent a year out of the ring, before fighting Morrade Hakkar for $1.2m. He's also on record stating that he could have moved up to LHW in 2002, but he didn't want to give up his advantages.

Frankie Liles's ex manager said that they had a great fight lined up, but Frankie blew it by asking for more money. HBO also confirmed that.

Yes, they rightfully criticised the Frazier fight, but Frazier was a mandatory due to Don King pulling some strings. At the time of the fight, they wanted Roy to fight: Dariusz, Bernard, Reggie and Telesco. As above, the Dariusz and Bernard fights couldn't be secured. But he went on to fight Reggie and Telesco.

HBO were frustrated, but they were happy for the most part. Roy fought over 25 times on their network, and they kept renewing his contracts. They also publicly backed him as below:

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I eagerly await your BS response.

 

He's a joker.

He knows nothing of Roy's career.

 

Sugar Ray Robinson by TKO

 

If you watch some of his earlier fights he uses more of a textbook stick and move style so he's certainly capable of it.

 

Robinson was the complete boxer. He was excellent in every area that counts.

Jones had superlative speed, but that was perhaps the only thing that his claim to being a great fighter rested on.

Robinson beats him.

 

If I was Roy, I wouldn't have taken my belts over to Europe either .. I would have been "Olympic" gun shy as well and I believe the money was the same or better for him here. I thought he should have fought Nunn and a couple others could be argued. Everyone misses someone along the way, and no doubt RJJ had a great, one of the best of all time, 14 year runs. Even though SRR was best at WW, I think he has an excellent, understated resume at MW. I'll take the more experienced and better all around fighter here. SRR in a UD

 

Jones had big power too. Both he and SRR had speed and power in spades, incredible blends.

 

This seems to be the case.
Dariusz M is the only obvious name missed at 175.

 

SRR takes Roy's best shot,Roy does not take SRR best shot at some point SRR lands

 

Jones had way faster reflexes than Gene Fullmer. Jones would be harder to hit.

I think this is a very competitive matchup. SRR would be in his 30's, a bit below his peak, which occurred at 147 lbs. Jones is in his mid 20's and ultra fast, with power.

I'll go with SRR by decision as he has to pull all the tricks out of his bag.

 

Even if true, 160 lb. Jones happened before the Toney fight.

So, in this matchup we're talking about the Jones who beat Hopkins a year before schooling Toney.

He was all substance.

I do favor SRR, but in a competitive fight, owing to Sugar Ray being past his peak ( a sublimely high peak, granted) and Jones being absolutely prime.

SRR by 15 round UD, something like 9-6.

 

So lighting reflexes and speed wouldn't trouble an aging figher? Hmm.

True, Fullmer has a better chin. But, at his peak, Jones was hit very little. Jones is quicker and harder to hit than Fullmer. Maybe Robinson is unable to land a homerun punch on him.

 

This is a little too much emotion laced subjectivity.

True, Jones missed some superfights, but this goes a bit far, in my opinion.