Ray Robinson's weakness

:huh (I took out Greb and Walker) but Ross - your insane

 

Ross is a ATG, 3 weight divsion, held them all at the same time before Armstrong did a few years later.

I like Ross's abilty to slip Robinson's best punching or block, and counter with the jab, if Ross does more infighting, he COULD out fight Robinson.

 

Fellows. When saying Robinson had trouble infighting with LaMotta,Fullmer and Basilio...That is akin to saying...Robinson would have trouble picking up a 600 lb rock...Of course he would have trouble with those guys...Any middleweight would, I feel.
When you are mentioning great fighters like a Ross,Griffith, Burley,Rodriguez or a Napoles...At welter, do you think that they give Robinson a hard fight? Of course they do! They give Robinson pure hell for the evening if they were to meet...I honestly believe when great fighters meet, there is not that much separating them...Do I think the aforementioned fighters beat Robinson? No, I don't...But they are ultra competative match-ups. 15 round distance match-ups...
At middleweight how about Monzon, Greb, or Hagler? Alot of posters here feel that those greats would defeat Robinson...I have to respect their opinions on this matter because of the records of these champions...Monzon was one of the most consistant champions in history, Greb had an incredible winning streak, and Hagler went undefeated for 10 years.
The reason I like Robinson head to head against any welter or middle who ever laced them up...Is because of his skill, boxing expertise, and physical gifts and lastly, an incredible durability. It can be said that he has trouble with inside fighters...I agree to a point...Does Robinson look hittable at times? Yes, he does...But he survived 25 years in a brutal business, fighting world class oppositon until the end...That speaks volumes regarding greatness...I believe that with his dynamic offensive skill, that Robinson is the most adaptable fighter to beat the other greats...This is my opinion...But alot of historians back it up.
Among the greats, I feel that no fighter is 'head and shoulders' above the others, there is a fine line between them in most instances....and anything can happen in the ring.

 

1. I doubt theres 1 thing Ross does better than SRR
2. SRR was not only P4P better in every way but a naturally bigger man
3. SRR easily beat Armstrong (who was pasthis best but still getting good wins but the fact was it was easy and Armstrong dominated Ross)
4. Counterpunching a much faster boxer (1 of the best of all time) with a longer reach is a reciped for disaster
5. Ross trys to outfight SRR hes getting KTFO

Its not the fact that Ross is poor, he doesnt stylistically match up well to SRR. He isnt good enough either though

 

1 Ross had a better left jab, and just as good footwork, and faster on foot than Robinson imo. Ross also had a better chin.
2 Ross was 3 divsion champion, Robinson 2, he failed against Joey.
3 Armstrong was past his best vs Robinson, just as Ross was past his best vs Armstrong, but Ross did give Armstrong some what of a boxing lesson in the first 5 rounds.
4 Robinson may have the longer reach, but it work in Ross McLarin.
5 Ross is a underrated in fighter, he did in fight Armstrong and went the distant, and even infight McLarin and Caniz at times, getting the better of em. In 85 fights, Ross was never knockout.

 

I don't think Ray Robinson's defense was bad. I think it wasn't great at all but he could slip punches. He could be very slick, he could drop his hands and move his head. I think he just didn't seem to care about defense sometimes.

 

those guys on there night would give anyone problems once they got them on the inside. I cannot see any glaring weakness in robinsons armour

 

SPOT ON

 

From what I've read,LaMotta wanted a fight with Zale in the worst way....Zale opted for Graziano...and problably a better paycheck.

 

Senya13, out of curiosity...where do you place Robinson at welter and middle?
What's your opinion?

 

Fair enough...
Monzon,Hagler,Jones, and Greb? above SRR