Razor Ruddock vs Cleveland Williams

Cool matchup. it's different .. I'll go with Ruddock KO

 

Good one here Jake !!

 

That’s true. Williams chin was highly suspect. And he lost to some lesser men too.

 

If being 36 makes you non-prime, I guess the 40+ year-old Archie Moore was washed up when he knocked out Yvon Durelle after 4 knockdowns?

 

no, Ruddock turns to jelly and is gone once he gets hit with a solid one

 

Kinda hard to validate that statement considering he went 12 rounds with Mike Tyson... Just saying

 

As Magoo stated; Smith was 36 years old, hadn't won a fight in 3 years, was coming off a draw with Mike Rouse (who?) and looked slow and lethargic. To say he was in his prime is nonsense.

 

I think Razor is the easier to hit of the two fighters,, I could see the Big Cat taking a UD over 10

 

Agreed. Not easy by any means (unless Williams pulls a Jaco on him of course which is a possibility).

 

Agree. But I think the 1990 rendition of Ruddock was far better than the 1985 version who lost to Jaco. I can’t see Dave winning that rematch had they fought five years later. As for Ruddock Vs Williams I’ve heard reasonable arguments favoring both men.

 

Agreed. I believe it was an asthma issue. Will have to look into it further

Yeah it can go either way. Williams is a better boxer and that makes me lean towards him.

 

ok, Ruddock was kinda off-on with the chin. He lasted 12 with Tyson with a broken jaw, and got up to KO Bonecrusher after taking a good knockdown early on. But in the fights w/ Tyson, he goes down 3-4 times from light punches (from Tyson), and in the 3rd round against Weaver, he nearly collapsed from that left hook, could not control himself.

 

The thing with Ruddock was he was seen as kind of the second best heavyweight in the world when he fought Tyson. And this was while Holyfield was champion!

Maybe you had to be there. Sounds crazy today. But Tyson was seen as the best heavyweight in the world even after Douglas beat him. Holyfield was a great cruiserweight. He beat Douglas. But that was just Douglas. It wasn’t Tyson, and everyone was waiting for what Tyson was going to do. It just seemed a matter of time until Tyson was going to be champion again after he beat Tillman and Stewart so easily. Ruddock eclipsed Holyfield with his win over Dokes. He had given Evander life and death and Ruddock just snuffed him out. It was scary.

Nobody was giving Holyfield the credit he deserved for beating Douglas. The jury was still out if Holyfield was even a real heavyweight.

Ruddock was a heavyweight. And he was knocking out Bonecrusher Smith and Michael Dokes - who neither Tyson or Holyfield were able to match at that time.

Cleveland was a much lower status than this. At no point in his career was Williams regarded this high among fighters like Tyson and Holyfield.

 

Precisely.

What the guys were thought of at the time. And then Commander Vander had back to back distance fights against the oldsters. Then Tyson himself cannot get a stoppage over a broken jawed Ruddock. Buster was out after the Evander Disaster.

A lot of things happened to change the consensus of things. Plus you had 2 pedigreed up and comers in Lewis and Bowe.

To me anyway, it was crystal clear there was going to be a changing of the guard.






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This thread has exposed you as the lying, dishonest, piece of **** you are.