Razor Ruddock vs Cleveland Williams

Unfortunately it is clear for anyone unbiased to see that you don’t know what you are talking about because you are not bringing anything to counter what I have expressed here.

 

"Nobody believes Williams was better than Razor Rudock.. it is a view that cannot be supported. " This thread shows this not to be the case.

 

Williams would have blown out that bowl of jello in a few rounds. I like to be conservative and generous to both sides, but I think there are no other possible outcomes for this one. Williams by a shutout. Not even close.

 

You are entitled to base a losing performance beating a winning fighter but more thorough Historians might find this Peculiar reasoning.

which particular filmed win of Williams helped you the most in supporting this view?

 

Isn't Ruddock more famous for his losing performances against Tyson as well?

 

Yup, that pretty much was the general consensus of the time. I remember like many others thinking that Holyfield was so vulnerable and that Tyson and Ruddock were like 1 & 2 for a minute there. Even going into the Lewis fight everyone in the circles I kept thought Lewis was just going to be the next victim of the Smash. It’s easy to look back now and see Ruddock’s vulnerability, leaving him self open, but we were all coming off of the Tyson mania that was the 80’s and if Razor could stand and bang with this monster Tyson who could possibly stop him.

Razor was a dangerous dude, he wasn’t difficult to drop or shake up but he’d come back fighting. Tyson regardless of what people think of the 91 version was punching hard and fast and Razor took it for 12 rounds. I think those 2 Tyson fights beat a lot of the punch resistance out of Razor. Lewis would flatten anyone with that right hand he put on Razor at the close or round 1, I mean that’s “Lennox Freaking Lewis” and Razor just laid his head out there on a platter basically and got it knocked off.

I think the 1991 Ruddock that traded punches with Tyson for 12 rounds will take what Cleveland Williams can dish out, possibly hit the canvas, but turn the tables and win by a KO in a spirited entertaining fight.

 

Since Williams was not filmed much, my opinion on this depends more on the film of Ruddock. Williams just seemed to take good shots better than Razor. In the fights with Liston, Williams went down four times, all from powerful shots. In the two fights against Tyson, Ruddock went down four times from, what was from Tyson, not very good shots. Also, Ruddock pretty much fell apart when Weaver nailed him with that left in round 3.

 

Seriously, is anyone SICK of this conversation yet? I am, it's been going for days, and it's not even one of the best fantasy fights to think about.

 

People were done with the thread since last December. Choklab just saw that a lot of people picked Cleveland Williams to beat Ruddock, got butthurt (because he has this weird unhealthy obsession with hating Williams) and decided to bump a thread that hadn't seen any action since last decade just to set the record straight.

 

I see that from choklab and say to myself, good joke. That's what I said the first time I saw this post.

 

Choklab actually is very knowledgeable about boxing. It's just that when it comes to certain fighters (Liston, Foreman, Williams, Marciano, etc) he's not balanced. He posts errant nonsense when a fighter he dislikes is coming out on top of a H2H matchup (such as this thread) that he can't possibly mean or the opposite; when a fighter he likes (Marciano) is getting the short end of the stick. In both instances, he starts stating misleading info, half-truths, and flat out lies to support whatever side he's on. When he's inevitably called on it, he then denies any wrongdoing, and attempts to gaslight you into thinking you're paranoid.

 

Great post. I myself would favor Williams but this is perhaps the most objective post I've seen favoring Ruddock. Unlike some who think Nobody gives Williams a snowball's chance in hell.

 

This kind of thing never stands up. I am sorry that the best guy Williams ever stopped was coming off a loss to a victim of Pete Radmacher who even Brian London knocked him out.

I think these kind of facts need to be considered.

Unfortunately it is clear for anyone unbiased to see that you don’t know what you are talking about because you are not bringing anything to counter what I have expressed here.

If Williams was a strong threat to a title it should be important that his best wins are not eclipsed by Brian London.

This is perfectly acceptable and is precisely the kind of thing I have said. unfortunately coming from me it is met with angry outbursts.

what I dislike us when a fighter is getting overrated. It’s never the fighter himself I dislike.

I rate Williams as an exiting fighter in his own right. I know would have rooted for him when he was around.

Because I feel Marcianos chances are disrespected against Sonny and Foreman, that doesn’t mean I don’t rate Sonny or Foreman as great fighters. I absolutely do not dislike them.

no I’m not gaslighting you into thinking you are paranoid. You probably are paranoid.

 

This is exactly what I'm talking about. Demeaning Williams opposition as you are doing right now, in the manner you are doing without telling the whole story. I'm going to use your ******ed logic and show you how ridiculous you are.

One of Ali's best wins was a guy who had already lost to Marshall who even Jim Arnold beat.

Another one of Ali's best wins Ken Norton lost to a guy who himself had lost to a 20-24 Bob Stallings. Wow, Norton must've been ****!

Lol! A 2 year old can give me a better debate than you while being honest unlike yourself.

Also comparing Williams was comparable to someone like Lamar Clark, double stands when it comes to excusing other fighter's losses but not Williams, etc. Do you really think that's objective?

Lol

 

No what you actually said was:

which is just a little bit different from Bonecrusher saying, it would be a great back and forth battle with Ruddock hitting the deck and coming back to stop Williams