Razor Ruddock vs Riddick Bowe + question

20+ years of hindsight that.

Jackson was well thought of by a significant minority going into the Ruddock fight, as a prospect who may have what it takes to make it as at least a decent contender.

 

-I stated the facts. He was an undefeated fighter whom Ring magazine placed in their top 10. He was thought of as a good prospect, if you need an analogy think of him as a Dimitrenko of the early 90s. Ruddock gave him a good trashing and looked pretty good doing so. Ruined fighters don't look good trashing undefeated ranked fighters. Its probably Ruddock's best wins of the 90s, alongside Dokes.

 

Edit.

 

To answer both of your comments, I was in the gym with Jackson down in Miami. Noone felt he had a chance. He simply wasnt that good, in the gym either. You guys both know undefeated doesnt mean jack. Its when you start stepping up in class do you prove your worth, and Jackson was not very good but aligned tightly with Don King. You only have to look at his pitiful record up to the Ruddock fight and after to see proof of that. Anyone with a pulse and winning record easily beat him. :deal

 

But dont you think getting beaten up by tyson for 19 rounds will have an affect on a fighter? Ali was pissing blood after 8 rounds with Foreman

I watched that fight again recently, LL did time him good with that first right hand, why Ruddock was crouching so low ill never know. Plus LLs punches were sharper and straight. Whereas Tyson was loading up on hayemakers. Sharper punches will always hurt more than hayemakers

 

I think the Lewis of that night could beat all the heavyweight champions.
Frazier, Tyson 86 - 88, Dempsey and Johnson give him the most trouble.

In the fight Ruddock's hands were at his ribs too, as if he was looking to knock Lennox out with the smash. Both men looked like they were trying to time each other with a big shot. Lennox was smarter, he kept his hands up higher and got to him first, especially with the jab.

I don't think Razor's head was clear in this fight as well. He was going through significant personal BS with his management, brother, and his wife. Might have also been a bit overconfident considering he had beaten Lennox in the amateurs.

 

Bowe by late round KO

 

Are you ****ing crazy? He loses to at least 20 heavyweights that night, probably more. Literally that version of Lewis could be beaten by someone with a great chin and a fairly big punch. It wasn't till after the McCall loss that Lennox became a H2H great, mixing his great power with his boxing skills and sharp defence.

 

Lewis was hungry, in shape, accurate and focused that night. This is what it takes to be a champion. Plus he had a little revenge incentive going on in his head too considering Ruddock had beaten him before.

Yeah, I do agree with you to a certain extent. He needed the McCall, Rahman, Grant, Briggs and Holyfield experiences to shape and reshape his foundation of greatness.

Perhaps we could say, the older Lewis' mindset with this conditioning would be extremely hard to beat. Still, there aren't many who are beating this version of Lewis IMO.

And, I ain't crazy either. I know this sport, educate this sport and train this sport. Watch who you call crazy and try not to use the four letter words to get a point across. Kinda amateur if you really think about.

 

Grasping for the point. We all know Jackson wasn't a world beater and we can say the same thing for many top 10 fighters over the years. But the issue is did Ruddock's performance against Jackson suggest he was a shot ruined fighter? He did what a top 4 Heavyweight in the world is suppose to do the type of fighter you are describing. If Ruddock struggled with Jackson, than we can talk and toss around words like "ruined" and "shot".

Most importantly, can you name a better winning Ruddock performance from the 90s?

 

-Ali pissed blood after Chuvalo too? Was he ruined? Not sure what that has to do with Ruddock anyway.

-There you go. And Tyson still floored Ruddock and knocked him silly quite a few times.

 

A record is meaningless. If you look into Phil's resume leading up to any meaningful fights, its even more meaningless. Peter McNeeley had a comparable record or probably better leading up to his fight with Mike Tyson, yet we seem to put that in proper perspective. Maybe because Peter was white and Phil was black? To be honest, Phil wasnt much better than Peter.

Are we talking about Ruddock being shot and ruined now? Maybe I missed something, but I do think Ruddock had a lot taken out of him in the Tyson fights. Probably mentally more than physically. Even though Tyson didnt hold the title, he was still the top of boxing and Ruddock failed in two brutal fights. Going into the Lewis fight, I dont think he was as mentally up for them and physically I think the Tyson fights took a lot out of him. I think that type of second fight would take a lot out of any fighter. Ruddock took a lot punishment, but mentally he was very strong and thats what takes the most out of fighters afterwards.

 

Yes but Ruddock isnt Ali.

Simple question, Mike Tyson beats the **** out of you for 19 rounds. Are you going to be the same afterwards?

Ruddock himself said him and Tyson ruined each other in their fights