Razor Ruddock vs Rocky Marciano

Come on janitor, we were making progress.

You at least admitted that you might not be sure Hagler's iron chin at 160 would still be iron at 175 against elite hitters such as Bob Foster or Beterbiev.

Why is 185 a magical cutoff number for being able to have a chin that remains iron no matter how much bigger the opponent is?

 

Marciano is certainly the favorite, but Valdez is a live dog imo. So I disagree with your statement that "we all know Marciano beats Valdez"

 

Fewer bigger guys due to so many lying dead in battlefields, so many the wrong color, so many taking up other occupations as boxing wilted under TV and so many who just weren't as big as the guys we have today from the places we have them today. Also, Marciano's tiny window that he spent at the top, really a few years, negated a Liston-esque apparition arising.

 

James Toney started out at middleweight, and he had one of the better chin's in the heavyweight divisions.

Paulino Uzcudun's best weight was around 190, and he would still have had one of the best chins around, had he fought in Ruddock's era.

There is nothing particularly remarkable about taking punches form a 230lb fighter

 

Toney, who started as a 210 pound football player in high school, had one of the better defenses.

I've fought 160 pound dudes and 240 pound dudes. Yes, on the level, there is a big difference, especially over the rounds. The bigger dudes, even not the crackingest punches, still wear you out more.

 

Ruddock was deceptively fast. He went 19 rounds with Tyson but size is not matter with Combatesedeboxeo de Marciano?

 

I believe you, but the fact remains that Toney was able to make the middleweight limit at one point, and he still went on to have one of the better chins in the heavyweight division.

You don't need to be a big man to have a chin like an anvil.

 

But you need to have a good defence!

 

There is nothing magic about the number 185, but perhaps you see a bit of magic in 230.

I personally consider Joe Louis (prime version), to be a far more dangerous puncher than Ruddock, and a sterner test of a fighters chin.

I could therefore back fighters like Tommy Farr, or Arturo Godduy to take Ruddock's punches with cautious confidence.

You don't need an era populated with giants, to demonstrate that a fighter has an incredible chin.

A quick look at the history of the sport, shows that there have been some very impressive chins on men weighing 180lbs, 190lbs, and in some cases less.

 

Do you think that Paulino Uzcucun had an exceptional defense?

 

Wish people would stop comparing Marciano to these larger heavyweights. The Rock was 184 lbs and all these guys he keeps getting compared to are well over 200 lbs.

It also means Rocky isn't the overrated pushover many fans make him out to be.

 

I agree, but that is not really what I was saying.

My point was that it doesn't necessarily take a big heavyweight, to prove that an opponent had an all time chin.