razor ruddock who fought tyson vs evander holyfield ?

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  1. energie

    energie Boxing Addict Full Member

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    razor ruddock who fought tyson 2x vs holyfield who fought holmes and cooper ????
     
  2. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Holyfield was vastly superior to Ruddock, he stops him late IMO.
     
  3. N_ N___

    N_ N___ Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The interesting part about this is Evander would have to survive a few flush smashes to win.
     
  4. energie

    energie Boxing Addict Full Member

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    evander liked to trade also / taking to many smashes isnt healthy / ruddock hit so much harder then bowe also
     
  5. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Don't think Evander would be taking those shots without doing anything.

    He's not shot James Smith, Greg Page or Michael Dokes, he's much, much better.

    Ruddock couldn't put Tyson down in 19 rounds, he couldn't hit him with that smash too often to knock him down. And in 1991 Tyson was way more hittable than in 87-88.
     
  6. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I see this one coming todwn to mental strength, and Holyfield would hold all the cards there.

    Razor certainly game but he really relied on that one weapon. There would be some dicy moments, but eventually Evander's force of will wears him down and Holy pulls away for a late stoppage or fairly comfortable decision win.
     
  7. clark

    clark Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Holyfield with no problem.
     
  8. The Mongoose

    The Mongoose I honor my bets banned

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    If you favor Ruddock over Holyfield in a dream you better wake up and apologize. Holyfield takes whatever Ruddock throws at him, and most of the time he won't have to, as he brings the right cross over that lazy left uppercut/hook everytime. I wouldn't be surprised if early 90s Evander stops Ruddock late, as he would counter him to death and unlike Tyson, keep putting his punches together and finish him instead of loading up one at a time.

    I just don't get. Holyfield proved his durability time and time again, taking countless flush power shots from Foreman, Qwai, Bowe, Cooper, Dokes, Stewart, Moorer in his prime, and Tyson, Mercer, Lewis while well past his best. Lewis and Tyson couldn't move him with their best punches when he was in late 30s. In his 40s, he went the distance with the dangerous Sultan.

    He was only stopped twice in a very long active career against all manner of dangerous punchers, both by an accumilation of punishment. In one fight he was ill, in another he was coming off a surgery in his 40s.

    Yet I see people giving limited sluggers the benefit of the doubt in putting out his light. :tired
     
  9. mr. magoo

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    When Evander was prime and uninjured, I don't know if anyone could have stopped him.
     
  10. Seamus

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    Bowe came damn close in the first fight and did so to a 33 year old Holy in the third. If Cooper had finishing skills, he could have turned the trick. Never say never.

    At an early point in his career Ruddock abandoned his jab and became a one armed headhunter. Holy would win the majority of exchanges with a fighter like that. He may be wobbled but would march on to a decision win.
     
  11. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    I shouldn't say never. You're right. But I don't think the best examples to make the case were against a guy who he fought past prime, coming off a layoff and with health issues or a last minute substitute who he clearly underestimated and only troubled him briefly. Both of whom were hard hitter btw.
     
  12. The Mongoose

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    Not sure of that. When Evander was badly rocked in the famous 10th, he defended himself well, came back hard, and nearly stole the round. After getting dropped in the 11th, he made it out of the round fine and rallied back and won the 12th. He was never in danger of being stopped.

    No, Cooper had him in even less trouble than Bowe. Evander got wobbled by one good hsot and had to grab the rope to stay on his feet. He took the count, was immediately composed, and took the fight to Cooper.

    Not saying that it is impossible to stop Evander, but I don't agree with these observations. Evander was not incapable of being hurt, but he had top notch survival skills with inhuman recovery abilities. In both instances these guys did hurt him, but he got out of danger, and immediately took the fight back to them.
     
  13. janitor

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    I don't think Ruddock winning is very likely to be honest.

    Holyfield is just going to be giving him a boxing lesson, and he probably sweeps a wide decision.

    Ruddocks problem here is that he can't outpoint Holyfield, and he can't stop him, so there are only so many outcomes.
     
  14. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh! Full Member

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    Ruddock lost every important fight of his career.... Holyfield kicks his ass. RR= Just another overrated 80s/90s fighter.