Re: Cotto vs. Clottey

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by IntentionalButt, Jun 14, 2009.


  1. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    OK. Most of you know me as a straight enough shooter. Except those I have forcibly and stultifyingly enlightened or violently bisected along the opining thoroughfares, or otherwise drawn sufficient ire to elicit them fathoming doubt in me. Barring the lost causes of the ignorant latter set, I submit by way of reminder to those sound of mind: I have managed to eke out a reputation, IMO, of keeping a fairly even keel when it comes to segregating my personal biases (we all have them, reflexively - even the best of us) from matters demanding objective analysis. I'm no saint of the brooklyn1550 cloth but neither am I cast in the less than credible mold of Requiem4SelfOwnage.

    Having so prefaced, let me reiterate that I like both Miguel and Joshua - and have gone on record defending both (within reason) in the face of the irrational hostility-for-hostility's sake that is the harsh reality awaiting any high profile figure on this board (or any other, really). If anything, I'm probably more of a Cotto fan (demonstrated again, by my track record), albeit not a massive frothing-at-the-mouth fanatical mark for either.

    Now, as most of the science I drop tends to suspend in mid-air above the whopping majority of you savages' pinnish heads, I don't expect this to stick without being launched at the wall with greater than an RSDA serving of peanut butter, but here goes: if asked to posit an analogy for the type of emotional group-think that is supposed to rectify the stance that Cotto deserved the points victory commited to record, I would submit none other than the bout between Kessler and Andrade. That Librado was able to not only withstand the meticulous and calculated onslaught of the crisp (but not murderous) punching Mikkel is a testament to his heart as much as his durability, and made the boxing public emit a well-deserved collective "awwwwwww!" and a shameful feeling in the back of the mind that had a decision gone his way, as ridiculous an outrage as it would have been, you'd have to feel a little happy for him over the pyrrhic victory manifested (even while shaking one's fist). Now, I realize that it's not a seamless comparison as Cotto won four rounds more than did Andrade (which is to say, four in aggregate...maybe five). The point stands, however, that to wish (or sanction) a ruling in favor of Cotto for the reasons most seem to have wished (and sanctioned) it - is akin to doing the same for Andrade.

    The sole voice of reason I've encountered in terms of viewing this fight (and admittedly, my sampling pool is limited to the HBO broadcast team and a few moments of skimming ESB) is that of someone I don't commonly see eye to eye with - Manny Steward. About 2/3 into the fight he stated that with the exception of the KD (in an otherwise clear Clottey round) the Ghanaian had won just about every aspect of the fight. Now, I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt that he wasn't implying Clottey had won every minute of every round (as Jim Lampley seemed to assume, jumping down his throat with "Well NOT rounds 4 or 6, Emmanuel!! :fire - to which Steward just cracked the **** up, same as he did over "manlove" - probably more due to the prissy contentiousness of Lamp's tone than anything), as he never stated that - but rather that Clottey was clearly the more effective fighter overall and ought to have been well ahead on points.

    Now, I'm not a strictly punchstat guy (and neither, for that matter, is Steward), but when taken cumulatively in context with the fact that Clottey also consistently landed the cleaner shots and retained control of the ring/pace more often than he relinquished it - these details paint a picture when viewed from any perspective or distance (other than through rose-tinted glasses) that the right man lost the boxing match last night. Cotto won hearts and minds. He proved he's got the heart of a champ. He displayed world-class endurance...as did Andrade. He should have, however - lost the boxing match - as did Andrade (by a handful fewer points). :nod
     
  2. calzaghe1979

    calzaghe1979 Active Member Full Member

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    Clottey landed more shots landed constant combo's. Clottyes defense was far better also. Clottey outlanded him by 47 punchs. Clottey battered Cotto last night man. Clotteys face was unmarked. Cotto's face was bruised up bad. They are trying to keep Clottey down plain and simple.
     
  3. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    So, after the fight, when Steward went in the back to give Clottey a blow job, were you with him?
     
  4. McGrain

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    I thought Cotto won.

    Most people i've spoken to agree.
     
  5. Relentless

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    so who did you think won? (haven't read your post, too long)
     
  6. David_TheMan

    David_TheMan ESB Sage Full Member

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    Any objective person knows that Clottey won that boxing match. I keep hearing all this bull**** about, Cotto had one eye, Cotto has such heart, Cotto is putting to rest the ghost of Margarito, and etc. The fact is you score fights by rounds and what is done in those rounds, not by what you hope fighters do or what fighters should have done and etc.

    Cotto controled the pace of the fight, landed the cleaner blows in most rounds, had the better defense, and physically punished Cotto that fight. Period.
     
  7. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Shite.
     
  8. Kaki

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    i condensed your post into two sentences.

    that's all you needed to write.
     
  9. Shattered Glass

    Shattered Glass Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Fail.
     
  10. David_TheMan

    David_TheMan ESB Sage Full Member

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    Truth hurts, deal with it.
     
  11. calzaghe1979

    calzaghe1979 Active Member Full Member

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    Cotto is a great fighter man. He fought bravely last night. Clottey beat the **** outta Cotto and should have been given the win.
     
  12. KingOvNY

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    Did you see the same fight I saw? "Clottey beat the **** out of him"....are you serious? It was a back and forth affair. Both men fought a good fight that could have gone either way.

    What most of you all are failing to recognize is that Cotto fought with a disadvantage from the 4th round on and stayed competitive when he could have quit and won on points. His cut definitely effected him since he changed his approach after round 4. What you can say is that Clottey failed to win. The man had a golden opportunity to beat a man who really couldn't see anything coming from his left side. Clottey forgot how to box the last two rounds therefore losing the right to complain about a loss. Champions win those crucial championship rounds.
     
  13. Lar Janus

    Lar Janus Member Full Member

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    Everyone at my place had Cotto winning, Ledderman had him winning, and 2/3 judges had him winning. I had him winning by 2: Cotto-6, Clottey-5, 1 even rd (10th), 10-8 in the 1st.

    116-111 was a bit much, but the right guy won.

    What was up w/Clottey trying to quit--TWICE? He did the same thing against Margarito (though I had him winning that fight, 'injured' hands and all, comfortably).

    Its hard to see giving Clottey any more than 6 rds in this fight. Holding your hands up and getting hit on the gloves doesn't win you rds. He had a cut guy in front of him from rd. 3 on and failed to take full advantage of it. He blew it, bigtime. Around rd 8 I really thought Clottey was on his way to an easy win, or possibly stoppage, but then around the 10th he just stopped. How many more chances does he think he's gonna get?

    Clottey just didn't go for it, and he disappeared in the last 2-3 rds. Way too cautious.

    Big props to Cotto for persevering under some very tough circumstances, and for taking such a hard fight to begin with.
     
  14. dfxt

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    get off your high horse.
     
  15. roadkill barbie

    roadkill barbie Active Member Full Member

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    Hmmm, I remember you had to give cotto a 10-8 round for 1, he won 4 and 6, and clottey ****ed it all up for himself by winning neither 11 or 12,,,cant remember much else but thats enough to make the decision go either way, so nah, it was no ****in robbery