Re-evaluating Durelle flooring Moore

He had already beat Johnson 3/4 times. I wouldn’t call that ducking. and the pastrano “draw” is a damn good draw. Despite probably deserving the win. Otherwise agree with your solid points.

 

Had the ref not stoped the fight, Schmeling would prob have been damaged for life is more like it, in fact he was !!! one of Louis right hand blows chipped a vertabrate in Max,s spine, thus giving Max a life long problem with his back, sincerly hope you dont do part time refereing in your spare time

 

You must be new here. IMOJL is a top tier troll and you just took the bait. So did klompton I think.

 

You are so very unfunny it’s nice, I appreciate you, you have a certain character role here it wouldn’t be the same without you or Serbianloudmouth.

 

when you fight in well more than 200 bouts you’re bound to get decked here and there, have a flat performance, etc. Archie Moore was a top 5 p4p all time great

 

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You can't tell me that Max wasn't robbed! The only thing missing was the ski masks and shotguns

 

There is a great bio out about Durelle called "The Fighting Fisherman" which is higly enjoyable. You should read it and learn for once. And don't lie and say you have. And, it is not historical fiction like you write, but the real thing told in a compelling way.

 

It was amazing Moore got up, man he was starched......

 

Doh ! silly me..... Newish, mind you in my defence, their are some quite outragous post and comments that are said for real....

 

Still trying to work out how Durelle was ranked no 3 by the Ring at the end of 57?

WTF did he ever beat, Willie Besmanoff? Great comeback by Moore, but the fact Durelle nearly beat him illustrates emphatically just how far Moore had slid.Have to agree with Klompy here.

 

So a fighter who reworks himself back into contention and gains the top spot should never get another title shot if the title holder has defeated him previously? That makes no sense. Thats like saying the Bulls should never have to play the Jazz again because they already beat them. Things change, fighters age, fighters improve, the deck gets reshuffled. The entire point of having a ranking system is to determine logical contenders. By fighting his way to the top of the rankings and maintaining that Johnson did everything expected of him. Everyone at the time knew Moore was ducking Johnson and even Moore admitted that he didnt want to be chasing Johnson on around on old legs. When you avoid your number one contender for years after gaining a hail mary come from behind KO in your last fight with him and then get stripped because of your refusal to make the match its pretty much the textbook definition of ducking regardless of what their previous history was. Moore knew better than anyone how difficult Johnson was and how much better he had gotten since their early contests.

You said that Moore fought for years beating good ranked men. He didnt beat Pastrano. As I stated, in all of the years that he continued to fight he beat two ranked contenders and fought a litany of pretty crappy opposition.

 

How many times is enough? The normal amount is three fights. They had four. Three of which Moore won. All while Johnson was prime. It’s not like he was green or something. Rinaldi was ranked when he beat him as well.

 

Im not knocking Moore, hes one of my favorite fighters, but his later reign/career is decidedly pedestrian and largely smoke and mirrors. The Durelle fight is a perfect example. Its remembered as this great fight, which it was, but people forget that it was a great fight because Moore was so old that he struggled with a mediocre guy who didnt deserve a title shot. This allowed Moore to double dip by getting another defense against Durelle, kicking the can down the road and avoiding Johnson. Rinaldi is another example. Rinaldi was an unranked fighter who Moore lost a non title fight to Italy. Then Rinaldi gets ranked based off that fight and Moore is allowed to defend his portion of the title (he had been stripped by the NBA for refusing to face Johnson) in New York and further claim that he was a champion despite zero interest in really putting the title on the line. Moore spent a great deal of his career criticizing the fighters who refused him a title shot and acted like they could pick and choose their opposition and yet he became the very thing he hated.

 

What are you talking about?? Johnson's first loss to Moore was in his first big fight. He hadnt even been a pro 3 years, he was only 21. He was only 23 and 24 in their next three fights and managed to win one. All were competitive. In their last fight Johnson had dropped Moore and was leading when he got stopped in the penultimate round. Again, if fighting Harold Johnson, his number one contender, a sixth time after Johnson had fought his way back to the top of the list is too many times then why fight Howard King six times despite the fact that King was Moore's sparring partner and had never been able to beat Moore?? Clearly there is a double standard there. Moore fought King six times AFTER Moore's last fight with Johnson.