Re-watching Loma-Linares

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  1. mrtony80

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    In slow motion, rewind, no sound...you know how we boxing fans do. I didn't quite notice it on fight night, but Lomachenko got hit a lot in this fight, and with several combos. He was even slightly staggered a few times, and of course, dropped. He definitely came through in the clutch, but he got hit more cleanly in that fight than all his others combined.

    *still, that guy is dope as hell. His footwork is pure art.
     
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  2. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    That's because Linares is a remarkable exceptionally gifted talent that rarely loses a round.:thumbsup:

    Except for this match where he lost most of them.
     
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  3. PH|LLA

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    Linares is a special talent. His lack of power has always been his downfall.
     
  4. Flamazide

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    Linares is very quick. Both in terms of pure speed with hands and feet and in terms of his reaction. Whenever Lomachenko pivoted Linares was right there with him which eliminated the advantage Lomachenko gains from this move. Linares also has a good habit of throwing rapid combinations which when you're dealing with a technically sound guy that is faster and bigger than you is TOUGH. Lomachenko also fought in a really stupid way given the advantages Linares had over him. But yeah, Linares is a lot better than people often give him credit for. I'm glad this fight turned out the way it did.
     
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    His "downfall"? What do you mean? It hasn't been a detriment, yet. Nobody really walks through his punches either. A lot of his fights are strange. I haven't figured them out yet. I mean, I don't think he landed a single heavy blow on Rigo nor Walters, and they both quit. A few other guys, too. It seems as if he has that Mayweather underestimated power.
     
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    Yes, I'm noticing Loma's matrix **** didn't work as well on Linares as it did on other fighters. And yeah, it's true that Loma got hit more than he should have because of the way he fought. Then again, Linares caught him right through his guard a few times.
     
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    https://imgur.com/gallery/txmk3NB My article on the fight. Which I consider a modern classic, it reminds me of a Hearns vs Sugar Ray fight. High level skills, alternating periods of control and dominance. Big Drama Show.
     
  8. Flamazide

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    Yeah it is a combination of stuff. Linares penetrating that good as frequently as he did was a result of his speed, ring iq AND awkwardness which is rare, and power. Linares was probably physically stronger in that match than in any of his previous bouts and I think he was ALREADY stronger than Lomachenko to begin with. That's what still bothers me about the way Lomachenko fought though. Loma knew this going in and still played the matchup that way. That's just not smart- especially when you possess all of the tools that Lomachenko does. I'm starting to consider Crawford the smarter fighter in the ring as a result of it, but I'm also not comfortable with that since Crawford hasn't fought anyone as good as Linares yet so we haven't seen how he would deal with that level of threat.

    I didn't realize how close the matchup actually was until The Fight Journal did a breakdown on youtube. Up until that point I knew it would be tough but it didn't occur to me that Lomachenko could actually LOSE, you know? The way that fight went on a different night Linares could have legitimately beaten him. On another he could have illegitimately beaten him lol.
     
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  9. CST80

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    (I'll just put this right here.... plant seed of doubt, tee, he, he, I'm so clever)

    Oh... I was just noticing, why, who, what, when, where, how, coulda, woulda, shoulda, derp, derp, derp.

    Drop the bull**** dog and pony show mrtony80. No one is buying your innocent act.

    This is nothing but a poorly constructed thinly veiled God awful troll thread.

    Just say what you really think: I hate Lomachenko's guts and all the hype he gets and I really want to undermine him in the worse way, but I have a hard time doing that because he's easily the most skilled fighter in the sport, so I have to make up some bull**** narrative to push by making up my own facts and rewriting history, even though I know Loma was moving up against a much bigger man in Linares, who's probably a bigger puncher than even Walters, and is easily one of the best pure boxers in the sport, with brilliant punch placement, angles, footwork, jab, speed and combinations. Yet Loma still managed to put on a bravura masterclass like performance and win almost every round of the fight in 60/40 type fashion. But who cares about all that. Grrrr ****ing Loma, **** him and his fanboys Grrrr.

    Even you don't believe any of this bull**** that you're shoveling. Quit insulting people's intelligence with this drivel.


    Granted this might be a little harsh.:lol:
     
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  10. Flamazide

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    You misread that bro.

    But yeah, so the thing with Lomachenko that a lot of people that discuss him don't seem to understand is that he doesn't lack power. He fights in a way that doesn't utilize his power in every situation. That just means that his goal isn't to have a lot of power. When he does choose to maximize his punching power, he CAN stop you. He is probably top 3 hardest punchers at 130 and his with his workrate and ring iq he can stop anyone. That's how I see it anyway. I could very well be wrong, but the results of his matches and the way he places his punches give me that information.
     
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  11. Flamazide

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    Okay, what are you talking about? Nothing he said so far is wrong or seemingly done to discredit Lomachenko. Is there a history here that I'm not aware of?
     
  12. CST80

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    Yeah it is, just look a little closer. Read between the lines, there's a very passive aggressive tone to everything he writes.
     
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  13. Flamazide

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    Are you being serious?

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    In slow motion, rewind, no sound...you know how we boxing fans do. I didn't quite notice it on fight night, but Lomachenko got hit a lot in this fight, and with several combos. He was even slightly staggered a few times, and of course, dropped. He definitely came through in the clutch, but he got hit more cleanly in that fight than all his others combined.

    *still, that guy is dope as hell. His footwork is pure art."

    "Yes, I'm noticing Loma's matrix **** didn't work as well on Linares as it did on other fighters. And yeah, it's true that Loma got hit more than he should have because of the way he fought. Then again, Linares caught him right through his guard a few times."

    "His "downfall"? What do you mean? It hasn't been a detriment, yet. Nobody really walks through his punches either. A lot of his fights are strange. I haven't figured them out yet. I mean, I don't think he landed a single heavy blow on Rigo nor Walters, and they both quit. A few other guys, too. It seems as if he has that Mayweather underestimated power."


    I think you're reaching man. What am I supposed to be looking at? Linares did give him his toughest fight. He did land combinations. He did punch through the guard. Lomachenko was staggered and dropped.
     
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    Lmfao, I guess De Marco is great??
     
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  15. mrtony80

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    what